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  • #46
    Again

    You state your theory on the belief, not fact, that Jack the ripper wanted to kill ONLY to obtain the organs he stole from the victims. I dont believe that to be true. As I said befor I belive Jack killed to express his rage towards women, not to obtain materials. Also I do belive that it was reported that the organs taken could not be used in any normal, medical, or benefituary way. So then why kill to take the organs??? Why even slit the throat if it would be more easy to strangle the victim till they passed out then perform the neccisary procedure to obtain said organ??? I just dont see what you see.

    And about the zodiac I was merly pointing out that killers DO show patterns of trial and error.

    yours truly
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • #47
      rage

      Hello Corey. What you say is quite possible. But it seems to me that a "rage" murder would more likely come down as Tabram's did, replete with multiple stab wounds (cf. the Tate-la Bianca killings, 1969).

      What do you think?

      The best.
      LC

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      • #48
        Originally posted by perrymason View Post
        he killed Annie so he could extract her uterus post mortem.
        ...he killed Annie and then extracted her uterus. That is all we can say for certain.
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • #49
          Lust

          Lust murders are characterized by attack of the sexual reproductive organs. I believe that in the report by Dr.Killein(spelling) he noted "That the breast, belly, and private parts were the principle targets"

          yours truly
          Washington Irving:

          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

          Stratford-on-Avon

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
            ...he killed Annie and then extracted her uterus. That is all we can say for certain.
            That's all you might be able to say about it Sam, but...

            Dr. Phillips: "Very well. I will give you the results of my post-mortem examination. Witness then detailed the terrible wounds which had been inflicted upon the woman, and described the parts of the body which the perpetrator of the murder had carried away with him. He added: I am of opinion that the length of the weapon with which the incisions were inflicted was at least five to six inches in length - probably more - and must have been very sharp. The manner in which they had been done indicated a certain amount of anatomical knowledge.

            The Coroner: Can you give any idea how long it would take to perform the incisions found on the body?

            Dr. Phillips: I think I can guide you by saying that I myself could not have performed all the injuries I saw on that woman, and effect them, even without a struggle, under a quarter of an hour. If I had done it in a deliberate way, such as would fall to the duties of a surgeon, it would probably have taken me the best part of an hour. The whole inference seems to me that the operation was performed to enable the perpetrator to obtain possession of these parts of the body.

            It seems clear to me that the man that examined her thought the murder was committed so the killer could obtain what he took...with some skill.

            All the best SF

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            • #51
              Do you?

              Do you feel it safe to rely on this inquest report and the statement made by one doctor????Because I sure dont.
              please explain why you find this to be without a doubt true and that the doctor was right.
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • #52
                Eddowes

                This is an exert of the mortuary report by Dr.frederick gordon Brown.
                " believe the perpetrator of the act must have had considerable knowledge of the position of the organs in the abdominal cavity and the way of removing them. It required a great deal of medical knowledge to have removed the kidney and to know where it was placed. The parts removed would be of no use for any professional purpose.
                "

                yours truly
                Washington Irving:

                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                Stratford-on-Avon

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                • #53
                  Times two

                  I note(unrelated to theory) that on 28 march,1888, Ada Wilson was murdered,stabbed twice in the troat.
                  On 12 july,1889, Alice Mckenzie was murdered, again stabbed twice in the troat, I belive these victims to be the work of either two things, Jack the Ripper or a copycat killer.

                  they both have similar injuries.

                  yours truly
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #54
                    Continued

                    Any new thoughts?

                    yours truly
                    Washington Irving:

                    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                    Stratford-on-Avon

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by corey123 View Post
                      I note(unrelated to theory) that on 28 march,1888, Ada Wilson was murdered,stabbed twice in the troat.
                      On 12 july,1889, Alice Mckenzie was murdered, again stabbed twice in the troat, I belive these victims to be the work of either two things, Jack the Ripper or a copycat killer.

                      they both have similar injuries.

                      yours truly
                      Hi corey,

                      For me personally the throat stabs are much different than the often 2 severe throat cuts while the victim was fully or semi unconscious, lying down.

                      In the cases of Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman and Kate Eddowes we have evidence that suggests they all were lying down and unable to resist when the knife is FIRST used. Thats not what the evidence says in any other of the unsolved cases in 1888.

                      Killer methodologies and tools can certainly change, but when they are repeated in 3 of the 5 alleged Ripper kills with only a very probable non-Ripper murder interrupting what would have been 3 consecutive almost identically executed murders...I think that signals a unique individual, one that apparently saw little need to change anything he did in his first 2 murders in what may have been his 3rd.

                      Cheers corey

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                      • #56
                        copy cat killers

                        Speaking of copycat killers, I reaad in one of the USA press reports that a man(I dont remember the name) had read one of the storys of "Jack the Ripper" and he was fascinated. So he went home and wated till his wife went to sleep and killed her with an axe, giving himself up later.

                        yours truly
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • #57
                          narcasistic

                          I have thought, maybe Jack was a Narcasist? I have found a type of Narcasistic behavior than can relate to jack.

                          Aggressive narcissism
                          This is Factor 1 in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, which includes the following traits:

                          Glibness/superficial charm
                          Grandiose sense of self-worth
                          Pathological lying
                          Cunning/manipulative
                          Lack of remorse or guilt
                          Shallow affect
                          Callous/lack of empathy
                          Failure to accept responsibility for own actions.


                          Narcassism has these traits.

                          Shamelessness
                          Magical thinking
                          Arrogance
                          Envy
                          Entitlement
                          Exploitation
                          Bad boundaries
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                          • #58
                            Sorry for the late entry. Six kids, wife, Christmas, etc.

                            Personally, I like where Corey123 is going. I have some additional and pertinent thoughts about the mind of Jack the Ripper, and I will begin with arguably “normal” people put in the unusual position of being Jacks the Ripper. In 1864, 700 militiamen under the leadership of ex-Civil War Colonel John Chivington massacred 200 Native Americans (Cheyenne), mostly women and children, with atrocious acts, such as cutting off their genitals (men, women, and children!), “ripping” open women, scalping, brain bashing. It is known as the Sand Creek Massacre. Some of Chivington’s militiamen were sickened by what they saw, especially when militiamen were bragging and walking around with their gonad trophies. The attacks of the genitals were anger-retaliatory against the Native Americans.
                            How did normal men have the capacity to mutilate, Ripper-style? Answer: The psychological technique of first dehumanizing. They first mentally dehumanized the Cheyenne by justifying that they were not human but were worthless and threatening objects. This type of justification was not entirely new to these men, because they were soldiers in the Civil War and were accustomed to dehumanizing before battle. Sadly for soldiers, these images come back to haunt them (PTSD)
                            Although, I believe JTR’s murders were anger-retaliatory, he was different than the militiamen. Because JTR was a pathological killer for possible reasons given by Corey123, he did not have to first go though the act of dehumanizing. My contention is that JTR’s pathology did not allow him to de-humanize, because he was in a pathological state of “dehumanity”. To de-humanize infers possession of humanity prior to the act of dehumanizing.
                            Why is this important? A pathological killer can attack calmly even if their motivation is anger-retaliatory, as explained by Dr. Robert Hare, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia. This seems to not only conform to the C5 Ripper killings, but also to the Tabram killing. A Dr. James Blair at UCL claims that the amygdala in the brain where sympathy occurs is in an immature state in tested pathological killers, which causes difficulty in feeling emotion. I can see a learn as you go pathological killer attempting to discover a truly enjoyable MO.

                            Any additional thoughts?

                            Sincerely,

                            Mike
                            The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                            http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                            • #59
                              Pathology

                              Mike,
                              that was a truly good statement. I agree 100%, but I wish to know more of the ripper. Was he a narcassist? Was he a paraniod schitophrenic? Did he kill for lust or for vengence or out of anger(most likely)? How could we characterise him? What was he thinking when he killed those poor women? Why did he pick victims from the lowest dreggs of sociaty????Why why why???


                              yours truly
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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                              • #60
                                You might care to read Chapter Six in the following, Corey:-

                                All the best.

                                Garry Wroe.

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