Could the killer have been a transexual?

[Limehouse]

There were no 'transexuals' as such in 1888. The closest a person could have got back then would be as a cross-dresser. This in itself was not unusual but tended to be confined to the upper classes. Cross-dressing males and females were more comman than you would think and there were actually 'clubs' that catered for cross dressers. However, it is probable that the act of cross-dressing was a way of crossing boundaries that were socially constructed (ie - corrupting the social expression of male or femaleness).

To me, the Whitechapel murderer was a male, probably local and almost certainly heterosexual. He was known to and in the locality and had the ability to engage the women he killed to the extent that they trusted him. In most of the witness testimony, (Stride being an exception) where witnesses saw a victim with a man close to a murder spot and close to the time of a murder, each victim was in conversation with the man and appeared comfortable with the man. Although descriptions of each man differ what this illustrates is that the women engaged in dialogue with their clients and expected some dialogue in return.

[Grim]

oh for f*** sake .... this is bloody stupid

If you have nothing worthwhile to contribute then please do not respond at all. This is a serious question and I was after a serious debate.

On a related note I meant transvestite and not transexual.

I think its very possible that the person who committed MJK's killing was a transvestite.

[Tom_Wescott]

Grim,

Are you just trying to have laughs at our expense? If so, there are other websites with a more amusing crowd than this one. The board does seem to be littered with more and more useless threads these days. Not all are yours, Grim, but you have created your fair share.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Grim]

Tom,

Like yourself I am a intrigued by JTR and have my own theories. I like to discuss all possibilities and eliminate nothing.

The last person seen leaving MJK's place was either a woman or someone dressed as a woman. Therefore it is highly plausible that the killer was a transvestite.

A thread that you consider useless, others may find interesting Tom.

Keep an open mind!

[Malcolm X]

Tom,

Like yourself I am a intrigued by JTR and have my own theories. I like to discuss all possibilities and eliminate nothing.

The last person seen leaving MJK's place was either a woman or someone dressed as a woman. Therefore it is highly plausible that the killer was a transvestite.

A thread that you consider useless, others may find interesting Tom.

Keep an open mind!

a woman? have i missed something over the last 10 years.... no, the last person ``seen`` entering Mary's was Blotchy Face..... fact!

now if a woman was ``ever`` seen leaving hers .... AFTER BLOTCHY, i would entertain the idea of a TV...but no, this was never noticed

to me it's human nature and the way we behave when drunk and more importantly, when we start recovering... most of us feel too lazy to do anything, we crash out or go to bed, especially if it's cold and raining outside, plus she wanted to go to the Lord Mayor's show the next day.. in my humble opinion, the killer is either Blotchy or Hutch... i've studied this murder for many years and i cant see any alternative..... and a morning murder is highly unlikely, considering her room's location; almost impossible

but if you're saying a woman was seen leaving Mary's in the morning... then no, she/he did not butcher her

[Mitch Rowe]

I wouldnt consider this thread useless. Although it seems impossible not nearly as impossible as the royal conspiracy. The thing about the law of averages is that there is always that outside fringe chance that can make the seemingly impossible quite possible.

I have went through the same experiences when considering alternate motives and events before settling on a direction to move forward from.

I have only settled on the fact that JTR was a man because unless people were going into backyards to trade in illegal prescription drugs theres no reason for Annie to go back there with a woman.

So Im presuming JTR was a man. That isnt a fact.

[Grim]

but if you're saying a woman was seen leaving Mary's in the morning... then no, she/he did not butcher her

Sorry I'm confusing myself here. A woman or someone wearing womans clothes was seen in the area shortly after the death walking very fast and it has even been implied that JTR could have worn MJK's clothes after the murder to avoid suspicion.

As I seem to remember someone claimed they saw MJK after the murder but that is impossible, so what I was wondering was could JTR have worn MJK's clothes to avoid suspicion or did he disguise himself as a woman after the kills to avoid suspicion or was he secretly a transvestite?

[Grim]

So Im presuming JTR was a man. That isnt a fact.

Exactly, which is why this thread isn't useless after all as we are exploring all possibilities here.

Edit: If you are one of the people who thinks this thread is useless do yourself and others a favour and just don't post in it. How simple is that?

I'm here to discuss a theory of mine and if you find it ridiculous you don't have to comment.

[Malcolm X]

Sorry I'm confusing myself here. A woman or someone wearing womans clothes was seen in the area shortly after the death walking very fast and it has even been implied that JTR could have worn MJK's clothes after the murder to avoid suspicion.

As I seem to remember someone claimed they saw MJK after the murder but that is impossible, so what I was wondering was could JTR have worn MJK's clothes to avoid suspicion or did he disguise himself as a woman after the kills to avoid suspicion or was he secretly a transvestite?

that's ok... a woman walking fast in her locality might mean nothing, just trying to get home quickly and away from the cold/rain...Jack barely escaped the Stride murder and Eddowes too; so i doubt he had time to put his skirt/ high heels on sorry but i think that's quite funny..

i know what you're saying, but i think you're totally off course and nearly every Ripperologist will agree too... but we need new input here, fresh new ideas that's for sure !

[The Good Michael]

This thread is useless under its current title. It needs to be changed to "Cross dresser" or "Transvestite". In its current state, it's confusing and unimportant.

Mike

[Tom_Wescott]

Since absolutely no women were seen with the victims just prior to their deaths, but a slew of men were, does that mean we should be looking for woman dressed as a man, instead of Grim's Boy George character?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Grim]

Since absolutely no women were seen with the victims just prior to their deaths, but a slew of men were, does that mean we should be looking for woman dressed as a man, instead of Grim's Boy George character?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

That is true, however it is also possible that when jack fled, he fled wearing womens clothes to avoid suspicion. Possibly dressed as another prostitute.

[Tom_Wescott]

So then why were men - and not women - reported as the last people seen with the victims? At least in ONE case?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Sam Flynn]

So then why were men - and not women - reported as the last people seen with the victims? At least in ONE case?

Four, surely, Tom? Chapman, Stride, Eddowes and Kelly. Irrespective of whether one believes the witnesses really saw them with their killers, they were each apparently seen with men - even Mrs Maxwell's controversial testimony last places Kelly with a man outside the pub.

[Tom_Wescott]

That's my point. If Jack were a man dressed as a woman, then we'd have reports of the victims last being seen with a woman. The Milton Berle theory simply holds no water.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott