What would JtR do after Kelly?

[Vingle]

I suppose what I was thinking of is - if the profilers could guess the next stage of evolution from after eddowes or kelly - we might see the pattern reproduced and maybe he was caught for those crimes. We have an advantage looking back where the profilers generally try to look forwards.

Grim - I think your name might be apt. Good grief.

[Lika]

Jack must have really kept his calm after each killing.Id say people would have reported if someone behaved weird or different.especially after the kelly murder.

[Veritas]

Somehow I think that Jack relocated to another area and wound up on the gallwos for other crimes.

[cappuccina]

I think that he was eventually picked up and placed in an asylum, and his mental "disintegration continued to worsen...

(...either that or he escaped to Arkansas in the US, and opened one of the first precursors of the "Walmart" superstore...)

[Khanada]

I keep an open mind unlike some people. How else are we supposed to uncover the identity of JTR if we dismiss every idea that is presented to us.

Let me be quite specific: If you had wished for me to take your question seriously, you should have used an appropriate word such as "masturbation". Instead, you chose a base and crude term, which to me read like trolling perversion. That, on any online forum, not just Casebook, leads me to dismiss the utterance as one from a crank and leave the room. If you were asking a serious question, I wish you had indicated such by using a more appropriate term.

There are points on this board where people seem to want to engage in wild, reaching speculation for the sake of it. I find that it gets dull, it gets unreasonable, and it does not bear fruit that are worthwhile to produce. Seriously, where does speculation miles from the facts that we have left get us?

We don't know who Jack was. We have no consensus on who he killed. We don't know why he killed. Wondering about what he did after he killed is just that -- wondering. There's no hope of a concrete answer to that, when we can't answer more important questions. If you want to take that as dismissal from me, that's your choice. I just see it as wishing to put the horse before the cart.

[Grim]

Let me be quite specific: If you had wished for me to take your question seriously, you should have used an appropriate word such as "masturbation". Instead, you chose a base and crude term, which to me read like trolling perversion. That, on any online forum, not just Casebook, leads me to dismiss the utterance as one from a crank and leave the room. If you were asking a serious question, I wish you had indicated such by using a more appropriate term.

Fair enough, I also believe that the reason he was salvaging all those body organs was to make himself a new woman. Much like the theme of Silence of the Lambs, where the serial killer tries to make himself into a woman from the skin of his victims.

Inflatable dolls were not around back in those days and it is possible Jack was trying to construct himself a brand new woman to pleasure himself with. He would create this new woman using all the body organs that he had salvaged and he planned to take even more but unfortunately for him his reign of terror came to an end.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Let me be quite specific: If you had wished for me to take your question seriously, you should have used an appropriate word such as "masturbation". Instead, you chose a base and crude term, which to me read like trolling perversion. That, on any online forum, not just Casebook, leads me to dismiss the utterance as one from a crank and leave the room. If you were asking a serious question, I wish you had indicated such by using a more appropriate term.

I'd have thought 'jacking off' would've been far for appropriate than "masturbation".

[Grim]

I'd have thought 'jacking off' would've been far for appropriate than "masturbation".

It depends what country you come from and your culture as well. I am from Australia and you will find that even respectable people such as police officers here will use the term "whacking off" instead of "masturbation". In Australia whacking off is an acceptable term to you.

I am sorry if I offended anyone here with that term. I didn't realise you were all such a bunch of prudes.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I didn't realise you were all such a bunch of prudes.

I hope that was just aimed at Khanada. o_O I'm anything but.

[Grim]

I hope that was just aimed at Khanada. o_O I'm anything but.

It was aimed at whomever felt offended by such nonsense.

[Lika]

I'd say the first thing jack would do right after Kelly was taking a shower or some sorta.With so much blood splattered all over the room hes bound to have probably alot on him not just his clothes.After that probably looking at his "trophys" he took along eg. chapmans ovaries.

[Grim]

I'd say the first thing jack would do right after Kelly was taking a shower or some sorta.With so much blood splattered all over the room hes bound to have probably alot on him not just his clothes.After that probably looking at his "trophys" he took along eg. chapmans ovaries.

Where exactly would he take this shower though that is the question. From what I understand unless you came from a rich background then in those days people would probably only shower once a week from some sort of public bath.

[Jane Coram]

Hi Lika,

It's probably almost impossible for most people these days, to appreciate what the hygiene standards were like in those days, especially amongst the lower classes in the East End. Basically if we walked passed any of them in the street today, we would feel pretty queezy..........most of them would stink. Even the cleanest of them would be considered quite dirty by most peoples standards today.

Many them had to put up with a quick rub round with a flannel and a bowl of cold water, simply because they just didn't have any other option. Built in baths were non existent, the slums so overcrowded that several families could live in one room, so even getting a wash in a bowl of cold water could well be impossible in many instances.

Grim is right when he says that some locals would use the local bath houses if they wanted a proper bath, and it was relatively cheap, (a cold bath was one old penny), but they were not over subscribed. Most of the locals would prefer just to wash down at home, or not wash at all especially in the winter, simply because they couldn't afford even a penny or it was just too cold to wash.

Many wouldn't even take their underwear off through the winter months, and there have been cases recorded of the underwear actually becoming so ingrained into their skin, that they couldn't peel it off again without pulling some of their skin away with it!

I couldn't live without my bubble bath. Lol.
Bestest

Jane

xxxxx

[Jane Coram]

Just an afterthought:

If we are looking at a Jack who was from the working classes, especially the lower working class, such as a casual labourer, then after he had left Mary's he would have had very limited choices to wash and clean up.

We can only guess at what he did do, but as he was almost certainly wearing black or extremely dark clothes, of a heavy material, any blood would have been hidden on those garments. His shirt of course may have had blood on it somewhere, although not necessarily if he had rolled his sleeves up and taken some care - supposing of course he didn't swap his bloodied shirt for one of those left by Maria Harvey......... Of course he would have stunk to high heaven, but then so did everyone else, so no-one would have noticed. Lol.

Really though, there is no real reason to assume that he was that dirty or bloodied when he left the scene and he might have just gone back to his room or doss house without much more than a good wipe of his hands or a quick sluice in a water trough.

Hugs

Jane

xxxx

[richardnunweek]

What would JTR do after Kelly?
Speculative reply. ...leave the scene[ my opinion daylight] and return to a family house , not a lodging house, where he had time to rid himself of any soiled clothing, and any obvious bloodstains, how did he manage to achieve that without attracting attention?, that is the old argument, but the fact is he did on at least four occassions, if one leaves out Tabram /Stride, so it proberly was down to luck, and of course until the bodies were found , no one knew of a recent murder, so were not glncing at every individual on the street,
The man seen rushing though Mitre square at 1010am intrest me, the timing, and the location[ being the site of the previous murder] might indicate that his home route was via the square.
Regards Richard.