How did JtR see in the dark?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Now Sherlock this one for you .. tell me please how Dr George Bagster Phillips testified that when he arrived at Chapmans murder scene at 6.30am he clearly states that Chapman had been dead for TWO HOURS PROBABLY MORE . which if my maths is correct that make the time of death at 4.30am so who did the good mrs long see at aprrox 5.30 ..... she was mistaken just like Lawende was when he identified Eddows at Mitre square theses are the facts you cant change them ,

If you had done any research at all you would know that modern day doctors would tell you that the methods that Doctors used to determine TOD at that time was little more than guesswork. It wasn’t incompetence but simply the poor knowledge that they had at the time.

Whether Mrs Long saw the ripper or not is irrelevant. A relevant fact is that no one in the locale saw a coach and horses pull up with two men getting out to carry a dripping corpse whatever distant into the backyard of number 29! Even if these sinister phantoms existed would they really have risked bumping into some bloke going to work? Grow up.

[FISHY1118]

Fact.... Eddows cant be placed at duke street and church passage based solely on Lawende testimony. He identified Eddows who had her back to him as having black, [how many women back then wore black clothing] clothing that was similar to the dead women .Just imagine someone giving that testimony today in the hope of trying to convict someone for a crime, what a field day a good lawyer would have.He also said ''he didn't look back to see where they went'' ...so now we have not one single witness confirming they saw the man and women enter church passage JUST ANOTHER ASSUMPTION , BUT NOT THE FACTS .Heres another fact, Eddows was released from Bisopsgate police station at 1.00 P.C Hutt was the last person to see her as she left and closed the gate behind her ,ive yet to see any testimony of Hutts or anyone else for that matter that saw Eddows turned left to Mitre Square . So once again its speculation she did , after all had she turned right she was 200M from flower and dean st where she lived , she had been locked up most of the night Where do you think she went ? but hey then i would just be speculating also, and we cant have that . Fact, Eddows was found dead in Mitre square at 1.45 am hows she got there from Bisopsgate police station after being released at 1.00.am could have happen a number of ways . And yes even being dumped there via Mitre st entrance at 1.40 am

[FISHY1118]

It is you my friend who is embarrassing you simply dont get it.

[FISHY1118]

i give you the facts you give your opinion , you couldn't even accept the fact dr phillips time of death that makes long testimony irrelevant .

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s also very very noticeable Fishy that you’ve avoided replying to post #141.

You have Knights theory in short:

A Women becomes the target of the authorities because she’s had a child by PAV and she was a Catholic. She lived at A. She regularly visited B where she met PAV. Then she was abducted by the Establishment and taken to C. She ended her life suffering from mental illness caused by a horrible operation.

Is there a problem with this? Let’s think:

1. There’s not a shred of evidence that PAV fathered a child though there is evidence via the Cleveland Street Scandal that he was gay by inclination.

2. Annie Crook wasn’t a Catholic.

3. Location A didn’t exist.

4. Location B didn’t exist.

5. Location C didn’t exist.

6. We know for a fact that she was epileptic and that her mother was also epileptic. This explains her condition.

None of this matters of course because you’re a believer. The mask is off. You’re obviously a hardened conspiracy theorist. Every inconvenient fact is answered by “well they would say that wouldn’t they.” The theory has been demolished by cold, hard facts. Joseph Sickert was a fantasist. But conspiracy theorists love people like him don’t they?

[Herlock Sholmes]

she was mistaken just like Lawende was when he identified Eddows at Mitre square theses are the facts you cant change them ,

Try distinguishing facts from your opinion. We cannot say for certain whether Lawende saw the ripper or not.

[Herlock Sholmes]

i give you the facts you give your opinion , you couldn't even accept the fact dr phillips time of death that makes long testimony irrelevant .

It’s not opinion. Read modern doctors. Modern scientists. Estimating TOD in the LVE was little more than guesswork and could be wildly inaccurate. This is a scientifically verified fact.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It is you my friend who is embarrassing you simply dont get it.

Knight’s tissue of lies has been disproven by proper research. Simon Wood didn’t simply make this stuff up (and by the way, Simon is considered by many to be a conspiracy theorist. He doesn’t believe that Jack the Ripper existed so he can hardly be accused of siding with the bulk of ripperologists.) He went out in 1976 and checked the facts. He examined the sources. Trawled the records. He researched. And the results categorically showed that the story was a fabrication. You can bury your head in the sand if you want to but the rest of us don’t. Facts trump fantasy every time I’m afraid. Sorry if it saddens you.

[FISHY1118]

the motive and the people involved in the jack the ripper murders is far to complex for you ,you will never understand them thats clear for me to see. like i said just because building and dates differ do not change that the people existed and those event didn't happen . so cmon... long and phillips ? or will you just pretend like that doesn't count like you do all the facts in the case

[FISHY1118]

oh im not sad im delighted , its funny to see people still looking for JTR WHEN ITS BEEN SOLVED 43 YEARS AGO

[FISHY1118]

And it also could be wildly accurate . The word of one medical opinion or several for that matter against another medical opinion 130 years apart . No sir that wont get you off the hook

[Wickerman]

just for good measure ginger, horse drawn carriages were very common in the day and night even in the early hours of the morning. just because nobody came forward to say they seen or heard one around the time of the murders doesn't mean they weren't there so honestly your comment is speculation at best.

I recall the police considered that in the first murder, that of Nichols. They said they checked the road for carriage marks, or for any indication the body had been dropped there. So, it's not like this idea is new. It was ruled out already, or maybe that is something else you missed.

[FISHY1118]

Read post 152 again i made no mention whether lawende saw the ripper i was only concerned with what he said about eddows . But even better if it was eddows and the ripper makes even more easy to disprove 1.35 to 1.45 as to how he killed her.

[Wickerman]

.....Heres another fact, Eddows was released from Bisopsgate police station at 1.00 P.C Hutt was the last person to see her as she left and closed the gate behind her ,ive yet to see any testimony of Hutts or anyone else for that matter that saw Eddows turned left to Mitre Square . So once again its speculation she did , after all had she turned right she was 200M from flower and dean st where she lived , she had been locked up most of the night Where do you think she went ? but hey then i would just be speculating also, and we cant have that . Fact, Eddows was found dead in Mitre square at 1.45 am hows she got there from Bisopsgate police station after being released at 1.00.am could have happen a number of ways . And yes even being dumped there via Mitre st entrance at 1.40 am

She may have been close to Flower & Dean, but she can't get in without money, and she had none.
You may recall that some City detectives recognised her as one who worked the streets around Mitre Square, it was her patch.
So, you have to ask yourself, if she has no money how is she going to get a bed for the night?, and how is she best able to rectify that situation?

[Herlock Sholmes]

And it also could be wildly accurate . The word of one medical opinion or several for that matter against another medical opinion 130 years apart . No sir that wont get you off the hook

So now you’re accepting that it could have been wildly inaccurate and yet you still use this a proof? This is simple dishonesty. Every single modern medical opinion tells us that TOD estimations were close to guesswork. No facts can be inferred from information that was very likely to have been inaccurate. A child could understand this Fishy.