Geoprofile of Jack the Ripper reveals Tabram and Nichols connection.

[Sam Flynn]

What was JtR's means to an end with Nichols?

Why did he cut open her abdomen, if he hadn't intended to get at something inside?

[Harry D]

Emma Smith was sexually assaulted, Tabram was frenziedly stabbed. The Ripper did neither of these two things in any of the subsequent murders. "Geoprofiling" is not a license to pin any or all of the Whitechapel murders on the same man.

[Batman]

Emma Smith was sexually assaulted, Tabram was frenziedly stabbed. The Ripper did neither of these two things in any of the subsequent murders. "Geoprofiling" is not a license to pin any or all of the Whitechapel murders on the same man.

They are all sexual homicides. Coroner Wynn Baxter said Smith was murdered. Smith investigators doubt it was unrelated to JtR after the series. Tabram was also the victim of a sexual homicide. Same victimology, same place and nothing common or usual about these crimes at all, even in that part of Whitechapel, let alone the East End, let alone London, let alone the whole of GB.

Since early crimes may not strongly resemble later crimes because of learning and escalation, then variation can't be used to rule them out.

The chronology also fits like a glove.

As does the bloody apron piece on Goulston St with the geoprofile.

Plenty of examples of serial mutilators who are not harvesters. Therefore claiming abdomens get mutilated only to harvest is false.

[Harry D]

They are all sexual homicides. Coroner Wynn Baxter said Smith was murdered. Smith investigators doubt it was unrelated to JtR after the series. Tabram was also the victim of a sexual homicide. Same victimology, same place and nothing common or usual about these crimes at all, even in that part of Whitechapel, let alone the East End, let alone London, let alone the whole of GB.

Since early crimes may not strongly resemble later crimes because of learning and escalation, then variation can't be used to rule them out.

The chronology also fits like a glove.

As does the bloody apron piece on Goulston St with the geoprofile.

Plenty of examples of serial mutilators who are not harvesters. Therefore claiming abdomens get mutilated only to harvest is false.

Let's say that Tabram's murder was a sexual homicide, the killer substituting the knife for his **** with all that wild thrusting in and out. Again, why wasn't that paraphilia evinced in any of the subsequent murders? Instead of frenziedly stabbing his next victim, he methodically slices the lower abdomen with the intent to excise internal organs. And why did Emma Smith's murderer sexually assault her, but Tabram's concentrated on the upper body and didn't target the vagina? It's not adding up here.

[MrBarnett]

Let's say that Tabram's murder was a sexual homicide, the killer substituting the knife for his **** with all that wild thrusting in and out. Again, why wasn't that paraphilia evinced in any of the subsequent murders? Instead of frenziedly stabbing his next victim, he methodically slices the lower abdomen with the intent to excise internal organs. And why did Emma Smith's murderer sexually assault her, but Tabram's concentrated on the upper body and didn't target the vagina? It's not adding up here.

Batman believes that because sexual homicides are rare, they must be unique to a single perpetrator. At least I think that's the basic point he's trying to make.

[Sam Flynn]

Therefore claiming abdomens get mutilated only to harvest is false.

Nobody claimed anything of the kind, or even suggested as much. Stick to the facts.

[Batman]

Batman believes that because sexual homicides are rare, they must be unique to a single perpetrator. At least I think that's the basic point he's trying to make.

The less complex explanation is one person, not many people. So even parsimony works and it can still explain all the evidence. Basically, there are no barriers preventing the one hand for being responsible for them all. What there appears to be is some doubtful accounts of who they were attacked by.

1. Chronology fits in escalation model.
2. Time fits.
3. Location fits.
4. Victimology fits.
5. Absense of similar crimes even elsewhere in Whitechapel except for the Whitechapel murders.
6. Smith and Tabram's offenders not caught.
7. Smith and Tabram's offenders don't offend again.
8. All involve attacks on their vaginas.
9. Some investigators linked them to JtR and some of those were investigators of Smith's homicide.

I am sure there are more points but what this seems like is JtR at the start learning how to carry out his crimes. Diving straight into Nichols isn't something we even see by comparisons to modern day rippers. They usually have crimes going on before that which sometimes often don't strongly resemble the later crimes as they evolve MO and signature (50% of SKs experiment with these).

[Abby Normal]

The big difference I think is that the sole aim of Tabram's killer was to kill her. For JTR that was just a means to an end.

Hi Gary

I think is that the sole aim of Tabram's killer was to kill her.

more like overkill dont you think?


and why lift , remove the clothes to stab the exposed flesh?

why leave her with her skirt raised to expose the abdomen?

wouldnt a pissed off punter just go to town on her through the clothes? no, theres something more going on here with Tabram.

[MrBarnett]

Why did he cut open her abdomen, if he hadn't intended to get at something inside?

Don't forget, Gareth, Nichols was chronologically between The blitz attack on Tabram's 'upper sex organs' and the innards-wallowing of Chapman. We'd naturally expect her injuries to fit somewhere between the two.😉

[MrBarnett]

Hi Gary



more like overkill dont you think?


and why lift , remove the clothes to stab the exposed flesh?

why leave her with her skirt raised to expose the abdomen?

wouldnt a pissed off punter just go to town on her through the clothes? no, theres something more going on here with Tabram.

Agreed, Abbey, but it could have been something as mundane as the killer thinking his knife might not have been up to the job of inflicting serious damage through the clothing. What I think we can be sure of is that the killer had little or no interest in Tabram's sexual organs or the interior workings of her body.

[Jon Guy]

What I think we can be sure of is that the killer had little or no interest in Tabram's sexual organs or the interior workings of her body.

Didn`t Tabram receive a stab to her sexual organs ?

[Batman]

Agreed, Abbey, but it could have been something as mundane as the killer thinking his knife might not have been up to the job of inflicting serious damage through the clothing. What I think we can be sure of is that the killer had little or no interest in Tabram's sexual organs or the interior workings of her body.

The frenzy explanation doesn't work. He switches weapons during the attack after stripping her down in part. That's like claiming someone in a frenzy changed guns. That's not a frenzy. They know damn well what they are doing. Hence the stab to her vagina. That's deliberate. We also don't know how severe it was because the detail was held back but Swanson suggests he was stabbed in the vagina.

[MrBarnett]

Didn`t Tabram receive a stab to her sexual organs ?

That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.

[Jon Guy]

That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.

But Nichols only had the one stab too ?
About the same amount of attention to the sexual organs with both Nichols and Tabram.

[Batman]

That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.

How many cuts did Eddowes have on the lower part of her body compared to the upper part of her body?