Geoprofile of Jack the Ripper reveals Tabram and Nichols connection.

[Sam Flynn]

nailed the MO first time. yeah right

Given that the Ripper's MO involved little more than propositioning an unfortunate in the street, it doesn't appear to have been a particularly tough nut to crack. Should have been pretty easy to rehearse, too, without going on to actual murder.

and couldn't perform the sig of getting to the organs because most likely disturbed.

Disturbed or not, what sparse information we have about Nichols' wounds indicate that they were somewhat all over the place ("several incisions running across the abdomen"). This contrasts with the more "sophisticated" approach to opening the abdomen we see in subsequent murders, particularly Eddowes and Kelly.

[Batman]

That statement deserves an award.

Thanks.

Why?

[Abby Normal]

That statement deserves an award.

why Gary? (I assume your being sarcastic)

Its unsolved. there are no real named suspects. The ripper always seemed be one step ahead of the police and able to get away in the nick of time.


Its a similarity to the ripper crimes.

[MrBarnett]

Thanks Gary!
Very Interesting. whats the motive?

Same motive as that of the blind lace seller who repeatedly stabbed his guide in broad daylight in the heart of the 'hot zone' perhaps?

Or that of the vicious blind beggar who attacked a 14-year old girl with his stick in the Commercial Road and who would have done the same to the arresting PC if he could. A man who had been repeatedly convicted of assault and criminal damage, who once punched out a plate glass shop window so he could her a bed for the night and who was eventually committed to an asylum.

The latter was certainly Pearly Polls husband, the former may well also have been.

Frustration, anger, mental instability?

[Abby Normal]

Given that the Ripper's MO involved little more than propositioning an unfortunate in the street, it doesn't appear to have been a particularly tough nut to crack. Should have been pretty easy to rehearse, too, without going on to actual murder.

Disturbed or not, what sparse information we have about Nichols' wounds indicate that they were somewhat all over the place ("several incisions running across the abdomen"). This contrasts with the more "sophisticated" approach to opening the abdomen we see in subsequent murders, particularly Eddowes and Kelly.

Hi Sam

Given that the Ripper's MO involved little more than propositioning an unfortunate in the street, it doesn't appear to have been a particularly tough nut to crack. Should have been pretty easy to rehearse, too, without going on to actual murder.

your joking right? the MO involved alot more than that. It involved rendering the victim unconscious as quickly as possible with as little struggle and as quietly as possible, getting them to there back and removing lifting clothes, and doing so with getting as little blood on himself as possible. specifically, ruse, strangling, place on back, cut neck to finally render helpless (perhaps to bleed out too), remove clothes, start eviscerations.


"little more than propositioning an unfortunate" LOL!

[Abby Normal]

Same motive as that of the blind lace seller who repeatedly stabbed his guide in broad daylight in the heart of the 'hot zone' perhaps?

Or that of the vicious blind beggar who attacked a 14-year old girl with his stick in the Commercial Road and who would have done the same to the arresting PC if he could. A man who had been repeatedly convicted of assault and criminal damage, who once punched out a plate glass shop window so he could her a bed for the night and who was eventually committed to an asylum.

The latter was certainly Pearly Polls husband, the former may well also have been.

Frustration, anger, mental instability?

OK thanks!
again-interesting.

but woudnt a blind man have a hard time NOT stabbing Tabram though her clothes in an attack like that? And why remove/move/lift skirts to do it?

[Sam Flynn]

why Gary? (I assume your being sarcastic)

Its unsolved. there are no real named suspects.

That's down to the police, not any superpower on behalf of the killer's. JTR wasn't the first, or the last, person who got away with murder, and he assuredly wouldn't have been the only undetected killer at large in the East End of the late 1880s.

[MrBarnett]

That statement deserves an award.

A similarity becoming a big indicator of likelihood is on a par with a rupture with a blunt instrument causing internal bleeding morphing into a stab that covered the assailant in blood.

Theorists' language is always stretched to cover the holes in their theories.

[MrBarnett]

OK thanks!
again-interesting.

but woudnt a blind man have a hard time NOT stabbing Tabram though her clothes in an attack like that? And why remove/move/lift skirts to do it?

The inadequacy of the knife is one possible reason. Another is the wish to cause maximum damage to the internal organs. As an ex-soldier, our blind man would know which areas to target, but wouldn't have been able to identify their location without getting up close and personal.

[Sam Flynn]

your joking right?

Not at all.

the MO involved alot more than that. It involved rendering the victim unconscious as quickly as possible with as little struggle and as quietly as possible, getting them to there back...

I see that more towards the signature end of the spectrum. It was certainly something that was repeated throughout the Ripper series. Then again, killers other than JTR have achieved much the same, so it's perhaps not distinctive enough to be part of his signature after all. Nor particularly original or difficult, for that matter.

[Batman]

A similarity becoming a big indicator of likelihood is on a par with a rupture with a blunt instrument causing internal bleeding morphing into a stab that covered the assailant in blood.

Theorists' language is always stretched to cover the holes in their theories.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought you would say, so is why I asked.

Obviously, this is evidence to be stacked with the rest for Tabram being a candidate for a JtR victim.

I kinda figure you are trying to play the reductionist argument which is why you address details but those instances don't change the overall complexion of why Tabram is a candidate.

It's all the overwhelming evidence pointing at her being a JtR victim against the very little pointing away from her.

However you know that, but reductionism without tying all those pieces together doesn't give you a picture of what is happening at all.

[MrBarnett]

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought you would say, so is why I asked.

Obviously, this is evidence to be stacked with the rest for Tabram being a candidate for a JtR victim.

I kinda figure you are trying to play the reductionist argument which is why you address details but those instances don't change the overall complexion of why Tabram is a candidate.

It's all the overwhelming evidence pointing at her being a JtR victim against the very little pointing away from her.

However you know that, but reductionism without tying all those pieces together doesn't give you a picture of what is happening at all.

So the fact that Tabram's killer was not preoccupied with her sexual organs is a mere detail but the fact that he uniquely avoided capture is a strong indication that he was the ripper.

If the evidence for Tabram being a ripper victim was 'overwhelming' why have so many knowledgeable people rejected or been ambivalent about the idea over the years?

[Batman]

So the fact that Tabram's killer was not preoccupied with her sexual organs is a mere detail but the fact that he uniquely avoided capture is a strong indication that he was the ripper.

I said: Obviously, this is evidence to be stacked with the rest for Tabram being a candidate for a JtR victim.

So I don't know how you missed that one in your reply. I guess you didn't but don't like it because reductionist enough.

If the evidence for Tabram being a ripper victim was 'overwhelming' why have so many knowledgeable people rejected or been ambivalent about the idea over the years?

Look at what I said again - It's all the overwhelming evidence pointing at her being a JtR victim against the very little pointing away from her.

against

Meaning in comparison to the negatives. Relative to the negatives. Relative to the very little pointing away.

Who rejects her? Sugden? Begg? Rumbelow? Go on, give us a name.

[John G]

But she didn't. Instead, we have this

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (puncture wounds in upper body, mostly throat and chest)

versus this

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(cut in some unspecified region of the private parts)

But isn't the distribution of wounds revealing in iteslf: thirty eight somewhat random wounds in the upper part of the body; one wound in the lower part that just happens to strike the private parts.

[Sam Flynn]

But isn't the distribution of wounds revealing in iteslf: thirty seven somewhat random wounds in the upper part of the body; one wound in the lower part that just happens to strike the private parts.

I agree that the distribution is revealing, but in the opposite way to what some here evidently think. If the killer wanted a (real, as opposed to metaphorical) sexual target, why not 38 wounds in the lower abdomen and one up top?