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Most serial killers have a paraphilia within their signature that they are fulfilling. In the canonical series it was abdominal mutilation escalating to organ removal and dissection. In Tabram's case we see impulsive, frenzied stabbings which are not focused in the same direction. I wouldn't be surprised if there was little premeditation involved. It was not uncommon for men to carry knives for protection or part of their trade. Tabram upsets the wrong guy and boom. Not the same as a killer who's prepared to dispatch his victims before he gets to work. Now, this could still have been the same guy. I don't rule out the possibility that the thrill of Tabram's murder might have given him the confidence to indulge his fantasies on Polly et al. There's an argument to be made, but I'm not sure I buy it.
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostNot that a workable hypothesis imo.
Most serial killers have a paraphilia within their signature that they are fulfilling. In the canonical series it was abdominal mutilation escalating to organ removal and dissection. In Tabram's case we see impulsive, frenzied stabbings which are not focused in the same direction. I wouldn't be surprised if there was little premeditation involved. It was not uncommon for men to carry knives for protection or part of their trade. Tabram upsets the wrong guy and boom. Not the same as a killer who's prepared to dispatch his victims before he gets to work. Now, this could still have been the same guy. I don't rule out the possibility that the thrill of Tabram's murder might have given him the confidence to indulge his fantasies on Polly et al. There's an argument to be made, but I'm not sure I buy it.
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostNot that a workable hypothesis imo.
In Tabram's case we see impulsive, frenzied stabbings which are not focused in the same direction. I wouldn't be surprised if there was little premeditation involved. It was not uncommon for men to carry knives for protection or part of their trade. Tabram upsets the wrong guy and boom.
Her murderer did not stab through her clothing. He rendered her unconscious first.
He had ripped off her blouse and tore off other pieces of clothing. She didn't do that to herself. When she was naked, she was then stabbed repeatedly at her upper sexual organs and chest area and then she was stabbed in her private parts.
This is called a Lust Murder.
This is not an on the spot feud between prostitute and client.Bona fide canonical and then some.
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For a soldier or both to have killed Martha you have to believe that Poll was telling the truth with no corroborating evidence to say she was. Pubs they drank in, yet nobody saw a foursome in that period of time. Also that she genuinely failed to recognize someone [soldier or two], who she spent a large potion of the evening with. Not only that but his mate hung around George yard while his pal was offing Martha and chatted to a policeman [even more stupid if this soldier was the killer], and that he would cover up for his mate who had just frenziedly killed someone, which of course could lead him into serious trouble [don't forget these soldiers, if they did exist were prime suspects]. More likely his mate just turned up with no bloodstains on him etc and they went off home together with the soldier who was hanging around not thinking anything else of it.
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Originally posted by Darryl Kenyon View PostFor a soldier or both to have killed Martha you have to believe that Poll was telling the truth with no corroborating evidence to say she was. Pubs they drank in, yet nobody saw a foursome in that period of time. Also that she genuinely failed to recognize someone [soldier or two], who she spent a large potion of the evening with. Not only that but his mate hung around George yard while his pal was offing Martha and chatted to a policeman [even more stupid if this soldier was the killer], and that he would cover up for his mate who had just frenziedly killed someone, which of course could lead him into serious trouble [don't forget these soldiers, if they did exist were prime suspects]. More likely his mate just turned up with no bloodstains on him etc and they went off home together with the soldier who was hanging around not thinking anything else of it.Bona fide canonical and then some.
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Originally posted by Batman View PostTabram was not the result of an impulsive frenzied stabbing and there was nothing about her to suggest she was engaged in sex.She didn't rip apart her own clothesthere was no sign of intercourse.
When she was nakedshe was then stabbed repeatedly at her upper sexual organs
This is called a Lust Murder.This is not an on the spot feud between prostitute and client.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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"Sex organs" in cultural, not biological context. As in sexualized mammary glands. Her "boobs" were stabbed. Kelly's were removed.
This is not frenzied. He rendered her unconscious. Then he proceeded to rip away her clothes. She was exposed. Her skirt around her waist. His stabbing is clearly done in a pre-meditated sexual context aimed at her breasts and chest and her private area.
This is a Lust murder. Punters getting upset to explain a lust murder doesn't work here one bit.
Like JtR he didn't have sex with her.Bona fide canonical and then some.
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I'm no expert on Victorian ladies' fashion, but from the photos I've seen, they tended to wear their skirts well above their waists?
So Tabram's killer - the lust murderer - raised her skirts giving him access to both her stomach and her genitalia and proceeded to stab her stomach 6 times and cut her 'lower part' only once?
You have to be pretty desperate to see a primarily sexual motivation in that. Not just to see one but to deny the possibility of the attack not being sexually motivated.
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Originally posted by Batman View Post"Sex organs" in cultural, not biological context. As in sexualized mammary glands. Her "boobs" were stabbed. Kelly's were removed.
This is not frenzied. He rendered her unconscious. Then he proceeded to rip away her clothes. She was exposed. Her skirt around her waist. His stabbing is clearly done in a pre-meditated sexual context aimed at her breasts and chest and her private area.
This is a Lust murder. Punters getting upset to explain a lust murder doesn't work here one bit.
Like JtR he didn't have sex with her.
Tabram's killer rained knife wounds across her whole torso, but was clearly least interested in its 'lower part'.Last edited by MrBarnett; 10-24-2018, 04:37 AM.
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Originally posted by Batman View Post"Sex organs" in cultural, not biological context. As in sexualized mammary glands.Her "boobs" were stabbed.
Oh, and lest we forget. Apart from her boobs, her throat, that other famous "upper sex organ" (RIP Linda Lovelace), was also stabbed multiple times.
This is not frenzied.He rendered her unconscious.
His stabbing is clearly done in a pre-meditatedPunters getting upset to explain a lust murder doesn't work here one bit.Like JtR he didn't have sex with her.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by MrBarnett View PostI'm no expert on Victorian ladies' fashion, but from the photos I've seen, they tended to wear their skirts well above their waists?
So Tabram's killer - the lust murderer - raised her skirts giving him access to both her stomach and her genitalia and proceeded to stab her stomach 6 times and cut her 'lower part' only once?
You have to be pretty desperate to see a primarily sexual motivation in that. Not just to see one but to deny the possibility of the attack not being sexually motivated.
Tabram had clothes covering her sexual parts either ripped off or displaced.
I don't mind people trying to quantum tunnel the minutia if it gets somewhere, but it doesn't take away from the fact he exposed her private areas so he could stab at them as a Lust murderer does.
No difference between a Lust murder and Tabram's murder.Bona fide canonical and then some.
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