Not for nothing

[Sam Flynn]

Seems our Jack was well read.

He may have been well-read, but surely not to the extent where he understood Proto-Indo-European [PIE]? This theoretical "language" had only started to be reconstructed in earnest by scholars in the mid/late 19th Century, and the full lexicon of suggested PIE root-words has continued to be developed since - an enormous undertaking, considering the tens/hundreds of thousands of words that would need to be covered. Intriguing though the idea may seem, it's quite possible that PIE "words" like juwe, juwesdiks or jéwestos hadn't yet been proposed by scholars, still less published, by the time the GSG was written.

[DJA]

Thank you. Hope I'll be useful.
I do it's in the dictionary.
jewes
jewes, -esse
var. juise Obs., judgement.
Jews, Juwes, Jewes, Jeuwes, or Juews.

A GRAMMAR OF MODERN INDO-EUROPEAN
you......... juwes / juwe /
law ........jewos (jéwesos)
judge................ jewesdiks
just ...............................jéwestos

So, if the word is jewes, what's he saying?
I am judge, jury and excutioner?

https://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=5226

Worth a good read.

Especially William Morris's involvement with The International Working Men's Club at 40 Berner Street late September 1888,given his busy schedule.

Seems our Jack was well read.

Anyone else read Henry Gawen Sutton's obituary?

Juwes still turns up today as peoples names in Brazil and Ecuador.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/juwe

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ju#Middle_Low_German

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=accusative&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=B42hWdq1CfPc8wer9YKABQ

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=dative&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=no2hWaCqLvPc8wer9YKABQ

[Sam Flynn]

Jewes. Judgement.Variant, juise, obsolete,.
Forms iuise, iewes. L Judicium – judgement and a later and further form, judgement, doom; a judicial sentence, or its execution: penalty. The compact edition of The Oxford English Dictionary. Text Produced Micrographically, Vol 1.

Intriguing idea, but "judgment" is an abstract (singular) noun. Even as a metaphor, I can't see how it could be equated to a concrete (plural) noun like "men". For what it's worth, "Judgment is a man who will not be blamed..." might work at a pinch, but "The judgment are the men..." doesn't work.

Edit: I should add that the OED doesn't just say that "juise" is obsolete, it shows it to have been very much a mediæval word. All the examples of its use in the OED date between the 1200-1400s, and most of those have widely varying spellings: "iuwys"; "juwyse"; "iewis"; "iewesse"; "iewes".

[DJA]

Semetic dyslexia?

[Callmebill]

Here's the reference. Doom ...

Jewes. Judgement.Variant, juise, obsolete,.
Forms iuise, iewes. L Judicium – judgement and a later and further form, judgement, doom; a judicial sentence, or its execution: penalty. The compact edition of The Oxford English Dictionary. Text Produced Micrographically, Vol 1.

[Callmebill]

Jews, Juwes, Jewes, Jeuwes, Juews, or Juives.

Home Office minute sheet, 30th Oct 1888, stated the word Jews was spelt Jewes as opposed to Juwes. (HO 144/221/A49301C).
So it’s either:
Jews, a religious group.
Juive, specifically a female member of a religious group. Also, a well-known grand opera - Fromental Halévy. La Juive. First performed at Covent Garden in 1835 and revived throughout the century.
Juives, French for Jews.
Jewes, Judge, judgement and/or law.
So it’s either Jew, (whether French, female or an opera about a Jewess) or it’s judgement. It’s also slang. Jewes – akin to job’s worth; he’s a right job’s worth. Negative – a stickler for rules.
The judges/law are not the men who will be blamed for nothing.
So, as I favour judgement . . . he’s saying – OK. I don’t know, but something like:
The judges are the men to blame? It’s their fault. Whose fault? The men of the laws’ fault. Nuance: The police aren’t innocent?

[Callmebill]

Nope. But I could link jester to fool. Not that I think JTR is stupid!

[DJA]

Brilliant.

you ..... is also ..... jusme

Can you link juwes to Frisian?

[Callmebill]

Thank you. Hope I'll be useful.
I do it's in the dictionary.
jewes
jewes, -esse
var. juise Obs., judgement.
Jews, Juwes, Jewes, Jeuwes, or Juews.

A GRAMMAR OF MODERN INDO-EUROPEAN
you......... juwes / juwe /
law ........jewos (jéwesos)
judge................ jewesdiks
just ...............................jéwestos

So, if the word is jewes, what's he saying?
I am judge, jury and excutioner?

[Pierre]

I don't want to fan the flames of madness here but, using a 'curly?!' letter 'g' I've managed to make the French word for Judges -Juges, look like the word Juwes.. (a bit). I can almost see the rotten tomatoes heading my way!

I don't believe in the 'hidden message' theory at all. Just for the record.

Regards

Herlock

So judges is juges in French, I see.

I agree with you that there was no "hidden" message. I think the message was very open and straightforward. The problem was that not many could read it correctly and understand it.

Pierre

[c.d.]

Hello Bill,

First of all welcome to the boards.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion or are you simply expressing your opinion?

c.d.

[Callmebill]

Jewes

If the chalked writing is jewes, which I think it is, it means judges, or judgement.

[DJA]

Yeah,nah.

[Henry Flower]

I wouldn't suggest anything Henry. I did miss out one factor though; there
would have had to have been a slight earth tremor at the time of writing:Which is.....possible.

Regards

Herlock

SO: if Pierre's Ripper was writing the French word for 'judges' - on a corrugated surface - during an earthquake - and was suffering from advanced Parkinsons - then, to quote Lloyd Christmas in Dumb and Dumber, you're telling me there's a chance! YEAH!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Nice work Herlock. Are you suggesting Parkinsons as Pierre's "biological explanatory variable"?

I wouldn't suggest anything Henry. I did miss out one factor though; there
would have had to have been a slight earth tremor at the time of writing:Which is.....possible.

Regards

Herlock