Not for nothing

[GUT]

I'm very much in favour of an heuristic approach to solving these problems, Henry, but we mustn't ignore any syntactic functions and definitions, and this leads me to a Conclusion II, namely that people who read a post by Pierre don't understand much of it, but still they have their opinions about it.

In this case, I can see that the phrase:

those trying men were killers of those who are not others

has been mistranscribed.

It should of course be

those trying men were kidgers of those dgho are not others

When you read it like that, it all suddenly makes sense.

Well more sense than most if what Pierre posts anyway.

[Henry Flower]

I'm very much in favour of an heuristic approach to solving these problems, Henry, but we mustn't ignore any syntactic functions and definitions, and this leads me to a Conclusion II, namely that people who read a post by Pierre don't understand much of it, but still they have their opinions about it.

In this case, I can see that the phrase:

those trying men were killers of those who are not others

has been mistranscribed.

It should of course be

those trying men were kidgers of those dgho are not others

When you read it like that, it all suddenly makes sense.

My goodness you're right. And as a historian, Pierre has such a close relationship with the the sources that he is entitled to determine what the sources were really trying to say.

Two coppers both wrote 'Juwes' but messed up the order of a couple of other words? A third witness wrote the word as 'Juws'? Swanson's summary had it as 'Jewes'?

Clearly, the trained and honest historian cannot but deduce the word must have been 'judges'.

I lost track, by the way: was this revelation Pierre's fabled Christmas present? Or was that another phantom pregnancy?

[GUT]

My goodness you're right. And as a historian, Pierre has such a close relationship with the the sources that he is entitled to determine what the sources were really trying to say.

Two coppers both wrote 'Juwes' but messed up the order of a couple of other words? A third witness wrote the word as 'Juws'? Swanson's summary had it as 'Jewes'?

Clearly, the trained and honest historian cannot but deduce the word must have been 'judges'.

I lost track, by the way: was this revelation Pierre's fabled Christmas present? Or was that another phantom pregnancy?

Pretty sure the Chrissy present wasn't, judging by the results of the elusive last bit of data, i as a famed socio-scientific-historian (of the academic variety) have found.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I don't want to fan the flames of madness here but, using a 'curly?!' letter 'g' I've managed to make the French word for Judges -Juges, look like the word Juwes.. (a bit). I can almost see the rotten tomatoes heading my way!

I don't believe in the 'hidden message' theory at all. Just for the record.

Regards

Herlock

[Albert]

I don't want to fan the flames of madness here but, using a 'curly?!' letter 'g' I've managed to make the French word for Judges -Juges, look like the word Juwes.. (a bit). I can almost see the rotten tomatoes heading my way!

I don't believe in the 'hidden message' theory at all. Just for the record.

Regards

Herlock

Hi Herlock
Did you use chalk on a brick wall or did you use pencil and paper?
This is vital to our understanding!
Cheers
Albert

[Henry Flower]

Hi Herlock
Did you use chalk on a brick wall or did you use pencil and paper?
This is vital to our understanding!
Cheers
Albert

And also, it sounds as though you were trying to make the French word for judges look a bit like Juwes. Why would you do that?

Surely the thing is, when writing the full message on a wall using chalk, clearly enough that every other word is completely legible, how many times out of a hundred would the word 'judges' alone be so badly written as to be misread as juwes, jewes, or juws?

This seems to me to be another flaw (as if another were needed) in Pierre's case. He makes great play of the fact that every other word was spelled correctly, and that therefore the misspelling of 'Jews' is in fact NOT a misspelling of 'Jews' but a mistranscription of 'Judges'. But the corollary of that is this: if every other word in the message was written clearly and legibly enough to be read ably and accurately by witnesses, why would the writer write 'judges' so badly that everybody who saw it thought it was a misspelling of 'Jews'?

If he could spell 'nothing' he should've been able to spell 'Jews'. Sure. But by the same token, if he could WRITE 'nothing' clearly enough that it could be read as 'nothing' and not 'frothing' (what a GSG that would have been!), then why couldn't he WRITE 'judges' clearly enough that a single person who saw it thought it said 'Judges'?

Pierre is hoist with his own petard, it seems.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock
Did you use chalk on a brick wall or did you use pencil and paper?
This is vital to our understanding!
Cheers
Albert

Sorry, I have a natural aversion to graffiti so I used a pencil and paper. The 'g' that I used was a capital (though 'curled' one, I don't know how to explain it any better than that.) JuGes. With the 'g' more rounded and slightly tilted. It helps to join it to the 'e'. Not particularly convincing.
I haven't read all of this thread to be honest but I saw the word 'judges' and wondered if a translation could be made to look like Juwes. We all recall the 'juives,' thing in connection with D'Onstan. Perhaps if the wall was corrugated and Jack had advanced Parkinson's? Who knows.

Regards
Herlock

[Henry Flower]

Sorry, I have a natural aversion to graffiti so I used a pencil and paper. The 'g' that I used was a capital (though 'curled' one, I don't know how to explain it any better than that.) JuGes. With the 'g' more rounded and slightly tilted. It helps to join it to the 'e'. Not particularly convincing.
I haven't read all of this thread to be honest but I saw the word 'judges' and wondered if a translation could be made to look like Juwes. We all recall the 'juives,' thing in connection with D'Onstan. Perhaps if the wall was corrugated and Jack had advanced Parkinson's? Who knows.

Regards
Herlock

Nice work Herlock. Are you suggesting Parkinsons as Pierre's "biological explanatory variable"?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Nice work Herlock. Are you suggesting Parkinsons as Pierre's "biological explanatory variable"?

I wouldn't suggest anything Henry. I did miss out one factor though; there
would have had to have been a slight earth tremor at the time of writing:Which is.....possible.

Regards

Herlock

[Henry Flower]

I wouldn't suggest anything Henry. I did miss out one factor though; there
would have had to have been a slight earth tremor at the time of writing:Which is.....possible.

Regards

Herlock

SO: if Pierre's Ripper was writing the French word for 'judges' - on a corrugated surface - during an earthquake - and was suffering from advanced Parkinsons - then, to quote Lloyd Christmas in Dumb and Dumber, you're telling me there's a chance! YEAH!

[DJA]

Yeah,nah.

[Callmebill]

Jewes

If the chalked writing is jewes, which I think it is, it means judges, or judgement.

[c.d.]

Hello Bill,

First of all welcome to the boards.

Do you have anything to back up your assertion or are you simply expressing your opinion?

c.d.

[Pierre]

I don't want to fan the flames of madness here but, using a 'curly?!' letter 'g' I've managed to make the French word for Judges -Juges, look like the word Juwes.. (a bit). I can almost see the rotten tomatoes heading my way!

I don't believe in the 'hidden message' theory at all. Just for the record.

Regards

Herlock

So judges is juges in French, I see.

I agree with you that there was no "hidden" message. I think the message was very open and straightforward. The problem was that not many could read it correctly and understand it.

Pierre

[Callmebill]

Thank you. Hope I'll be useful.
I do it's in the dictionary.
jewes
jewes, -esse
var. juise Obs., judgement.
Jews, Juwes, Jewes, Jeuwes, or Juews.

A GRAMMAR OF MODERN INDO-EUROPEAN
you......... juwes / juwe /
law ........jewos (jéwesos)
judge................ jewesdiks
just ...............................jéwestos

So, if the word is jewes, what's he saying?
I am judge, jury and excutioner?