The GSG. What Does It Mean??

[The Good Michael]

David,

Not necessarily the killer. Just the writer of the GSG. The killer could have been looking for a scapegoat, or could have been a Jew from that area.

I'm just looking at the writer... for now.

Mike

[DVV]

David,

You must understand that this was a time of Jewish angst. They were steadily pouring into England from countries that didn't want them. The British didn't want them either. There was a lot of hostility towards the newly emigrated Jews, and this hostility was returned. The suggestion that the graffiti writer may have just been a fed up Jew who was just the average Jewish Joe (Moe?) is a very likely scenario in my mind. Varqm's thinking here seems very reasonable. In this case, the graffiti had nothing to do with JTR, and was only a reaction to the troubles of the times.

If an average guy was the writer, then I think JTR read and liked the message and thought this a good place to leave the apron.

Cheers,

Mike

Hi Mike,
so the graffito would be an ironical reaction from an "ordinary Jew" fed up with anti-Jewish feelings in the area?
My God!
And do you really think that JtR, when making his escape, would have had time to read and appreciate it, and then he decided to throw the piece of apron near to it?
You may suggest that JtR read it some time before he commited the murder, but then again, since the wording is a blame on the Jews (at least in its apparent or let's say exoteric meaning), I don't know how you come to the conclusion that the murderer could be a Jew (I mean: because of the GSG), especially an "ordinary" one.

I honestly can't swallow all these speculations - but I will continue to think about...

Amitiés,
David

[Sam Flynn]

The suggestion that the graffiti writer may have just been a fed up Jew who was just the average Jewish Joe (Moe?) is a very likely scenario in my mind.

...and there is a Jewish precedent for writing on one's door-post a message, if not of defiance, then at least to keep misfortune at bay (Exodus, Chapter 12). Probably of no consequence, but it's still an amusing, if not interesting, parallel.

[The Good Michael]

David,

You must understand that this was a time of Jewish angst. They were steadily pouring into England from countries that didn't want them. The British didn't want them either. There was a lot of hostility towards the newly emigrated Jews, and this hostility was returned. The suggestion that the graffiti writer may have just been a fed up Jew who was just the average Jewish Joe (Moe?) is a very likely scenario in my mind. Varqm's thinking here seems very reasonable. In this case, the graffiti had nothing to do with JTR, and was only a reaction to the troubles of the times.

If an average guy was the writer, then I think JTR read and liked the message and thought this a good place to leave the apron.

Cheers,

Mike

[DVV]

The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen.

Don't be hurt again (and be sure it's not my intention), but this is clearly an unacceptable hypothesis.

"Ordinary citizen"? Is the graffito an ordinary sentence?

And a reaction to what? If you are hinting at the Whitechapel murders, then the wording of the GSG seems fcompletely inappropriate.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?
David

Hi David,

How old are you? No. First look for the word "If". If you cannot spot it then there is no point. The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen. It could also have been made by the ripper, a non-jew who made it appear like it came from a Jew, to deflect suspicion for example, or the ripper could have been a jew. It's not clearcut. I believe if the ripper did anything in the act of running away from a crime scene it could only have been for his self-preservation, to get away from the noose. So even if the ripper wrote it all this religious/nationality stuff could be moot.

Hi Varqm,
trying to insult people who shows a genuine interest in your thoughts is quite unfair (note I do not say "childish").
Since the apparent meaning of the graffito is blame on Jews, deducing that the graffito is the work of a Jew has may need some supplementary explanations.
So be sure that I had well noticed your "if" - without which your post would have been a mere non-sense.
And let me tell you friendly that in the Ripper case, we are all playing with facts and theories about suspects (and this is particularly significant in the sensitive subject of the GST). Most of the posters are honest researchers, but to some extent, they are influenced by their favourite theories. This is even the case of famous and respected writers like Sugden or Begg, and there is little to be ahamed...
As an example, Sugden believes the Ripper's murders to display medical knowledge, and once you have read his l22nd chapter, you come to understand that it has something to do with George Chapman.
Begg scrupulously points out the some inept statements of Anderson, but since he favours Kosminski, he contradicts himself and writes a long page trying to present Anderson as an honest thinker...
What is true for them is also true for us. I myself have to problem to confess that I don't believe in any "Jewish-theory", and that I merely see the GSG as the work of an antisemite.

Amitiés,
David

[Varqm]

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?
David

Hi David,

How old are you? No. First look for the word "If". If you cannot spot it then there is no point. The graffiti may have been a reaction by an ordinary citizen. It could also have been made by the ripper, a non-jew who made it appear like it came from a Jew, to deflect suspicion for example, or the ripper could have been a jew. It's not clearcut. I believe if the ripper did anything in the act of running away from a crime scene it could only have been for his self-preservation, to get away from the noose. So even if the ripper wrote it all this religious/nationality stuff could be moot.

[DVV]

stop blaming jews for stuff
we aint done noffink

Hi Stephen,
I'm afraid to understand or to misunderstand your post.
Are you telling us that the author of the GSG was an innocent Jew alluding to the murders and complaining about the suspicions thrown upon his coreligionists?

Amitiés,
David

[Stephen Thomas]

stop blaming jews for stuff
we aint done noffink

[DVV]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

Hi Varqm,
Are you making the ripper a Jew because of the graffito, or are you interpreting its meaning in such a way because you already favour some kind of "Jewish theory"?

Amitiés,
David

[Varqm]

Hi Brad,

Yeah I agree. You got a point and it's all mixed in with the other reasons. But mostly I think it's about the money and work and the ability to seek it ,for Jewish immigrants without being looked down for being foreigners and without a country and accused of something that is not true at least for most. I think it's first with religion second and always in the background. There was and is
still a mythical aspect with regards to the jews, after all the supposed son of god was a jew.

[celee]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

Hi,

Interesting interpretation. The Jewish people have been persecuted because of their religious belives throughout history. They have suffered a great deal. I may be wrong but I doubt the main reason the Jews have been so persecuted throughout the years is because they are penny pinching swinderlers.

I feel the graffitti was a religious statement. Like Mike said it is just a feeling.

Your friend, Brad

[Sam Flynn]

As to Christ, I simply think that Brad's suggestion was not stupid.

Neither do I, David. On the contrary, it was ingenious. Much too ingenious for a bit of wall-writing in a Late Victorian slum area, I maintain, for reasons already given.

[Varqm]

I do not think the graffiti has anything to do with religion. I belive it has something to to do with the jews being persecuted,being accused of some social ills and perhaps the Lether Apron accusation whose fallout was that a Jew was responsible for the murders. I think the writer believe it to be all false.So he/she was saying in a way if you're gonna accuse jews accuse them with something true not empty. If the graffiti was written by the ripper
he was saying ok now you can accuse the Jews,now there is a reason.

[The Good Michael]

David,

I don't think Brad, or anyone makes stupid posts (though I've done a few). I think posts need to be challenged, however. There's a scrutiny test that everyone must endure. Brad's post seemed sensible, but it seemed that there was more feeling than concrete reasoning to me. That doesn't mean the idea of a Christian fanatic is wrong. It just seems less likely.

By the way. Thanks for the PM. I'm going to japan for 5 days and work has been busy, but I'll have some questions for you soon.

Cheers,

Mike