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[moonbegger]

Jon ,

You appear to have missed the point I made that the police always, even prior to Warren, wore the same footwear.
The fault was not due to Warren.

Yes it would appear that we were referring to very different arguments Jon ..
The point that I was trying to make , was that Bobby's on the beat were instantly recognizable by there heavy step , regardless as to who was responsible for dressing them .

cheers

moonbegger

[Bridewell]

Juries

As this is the only 'live' GSG thread, I hope I can be forgiven for using it to flick out an idle thought which was sparked on another.

Two things which I have found troubling about the traditional reading of the second word as 'Juwes':

The first is that, if correct, it is the only mis-spelt (badly so) word in the GSG, where even 'nothing' is correct.

The second is that 'men' is used in preference to 'people' or 'nation'. The Juwes (Jews) comprise both men and women, so why allude only to men?
I know that various alternatives have been suggested, Donston Stevenson's 'Juives' being the best known perhaps.

The newspapers, in the days leading up to the Double Event had been covering the Nichols and Chapman inquests in great detail, including, on occasion, the questions put by the (exclusively male?) jurors. If the GSG has any relevance at all to the murders (always a moot point), might the taunt be that

"The Juries are the the men that will not be blamed for nothing"? (Everybody's blaming the police but the inquests haven't laid a glove on me either?).

I proffer this, not because I subscribe to it as particularly likely, but because it's a possibility I've not seen discussed before. (I'll await the customary onslaught!)

[Robert]

Hi Bridewell

Yes the juries were all male.

I think in the past there's been speculation as to whether the GSG might be about a family surnamed "Jury" or "Juwe."

It seems a bit oblique, the idea that just after mutilating Eddowes the Ripper would think of juries. But maybe he couldn't spell "coroners."

[Mr Lucky]

The newspapers, in the days leading up to the Double Event had been covering the Nichols and Chapman inquests in great detail, including, on occasion, the questions put by the (exclusively male?) jurors. If the GSG has any relevance at all to the murders (always a moot point), might the taunt be that

"The Juries are the the men that will not be blamed for nothing"? (Everybody's blaming the police but the inquests haven't laid a glove on me either?).

I proffer this, not because I subscribe to it as particularly likely, but because it's a possibility I've not seen discussed before. (I'll await the customary onslaught!)

Ha-Ha,

That's hilarious - it's Cross that's caught out by the jury!!

'The Coroner - Did you see Police constable Neil in Buck's row?
The Witness - No, sir. I saw no one after leaving home, except the man that overtook me, the constable in Baker's row, and the deceased. There was nobody in Buck's row when we left.
The Coroner - Did the other man tell you who he was?
The Witness - No, sir. He merely said that he would have fetched a policeman but he was behind time. I was behind time myself.
A juryman - Did you tell Constable Mizen that another policeman wanted him in Buck's row?
The Witness - No; because I did not see a policeman in Buck's row.'
Daily News 4 Sept 1888

Nice one Bridewell On Moon's thread as well

[Stephen Thomas]

It seems a bit oblique, the idea that just after mutilating Eddowes the Ripper would think of juries. But maybe he couldn't spell "coroners."

I think he actually wanted to write The Moderators of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland but didn't have enough chalk so wrote Juwes instead.

[Robert]

Stephen, I think he had enough chalk, but not enough wall.

[Stephen Thomas]

Stephen, I think he had enough chalk, but not enough wall.

Sharp as ever, my friend.

[Cogidubnus]

Oh I dunno...there was plenty of wall inside, above where the apron piece was found...just not a lot where Warren said it was!

All the best

Dave

[Rosey O'Ryan]

As this is the only 'live' GSG thread, I hope I can be forgiven for using it to flick out an idle thought which was sparked on another.

Two things which I have found troubling about the traditional reading of the second word as 'Juwes':

The first is that, if correct, it is the only mis-spelt (badly so) word in the GSG, where even 'nothing' is correct.

The second is that 'men' is used in preference to 'people' or 'nation'. The Juwes (Jews) comprise both men and women, so why allude only to men?
I know that various alternatives have been suggested, Donston Stevenson's 'Juives' being the best known perhaps.

The newspapers, in the days leading up to the Double Event had been covering the Nichols and Chapman inquests in great detail, including, on occasion, the questions put by the (exclusively male?) jurors. If the GSG has any relevance at all to the murders (always a moot point), might the taunt be that

"The Juries are the the men that will not be blamed for nothing"? (Everybody's blaming the police but the inquests haven't laid a glove on me either?).

I proffer this, not because I subscribe to it as particularly likely, but because it's a possibility I've not seen discussed before. (I'll await the customary onslaught!)

Bridewell,
You do us the honour of pointing to a confusing TERM at the heart of Ripper aetiology...so to speak.I am curious as to your present thoughts regarding this semantic semiotic, or tother way round?
As Ever,
Rosey

[Robert]

Rosey, I think you've solved it. JTR wrote the GSG thinking, "I'll jolly well screw up Warren's aetiology with a confusing semantic semiotic."

Oh, the cunning, cunning devil.

[moonbegger]

Nice one Bridewell On Moon's thread as well