'the biggest blunder in the search for Jack the Ripper'

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Bride. The knife is slicing as it travels through. The blood can't come out until the opening is made, and the opening isn't made until the knife has moved on. Now, of course, I'm talking about quick, single slices, such as that made on Stride. If you're sawing at the neck, you'll get covered in blood.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Bridewell]

Hi Bridewell. When you make a cut to someone, the knife is moving faster than the blood, so no blood will get on the blade. Same is true for stabbing if you remove the blade quick enough.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi, Tom,

Carotid artery - major blood vessel. The knife interrupts the blood-flow, which has to come into contact with the blade, doesn't it? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that this is not a view I've encountered before.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

Just a thought -- could have been snatched up by a cat or a dog.

But so could the apron....WHAT?...oh...hell...yes, I see...erm I take that back!

Dave

[Archaic]

You know, I don't think the killer took the apron for any other purpose but to leave it where he did. He could have taken a sleeve, a piece of petticoat, anything, but he cut away a good half of an apron. I think it was a reference to Leather Apron, a joke.
Mike

Hi Mike, I agree with you.

The apron could also have been used by the killer as a sort of double entendre, a play on 'Leather Apron'... which also ties in with the Jewish reference in the graffito and the murder in Dutfield's Yard.

Best regards,
Archaic

[moonbegger]

Pockets! Come on, folks, it's not pocket science!


Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. No blood would have been on the knife in Stride's murder. Nothing to clean off.

Hello,Hello,Hello,

He may have had special sealed compartments within his top hat ?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

Whoa! You've obviously had practise.

Remind me never to cross you.

Regards,

Simon

[GregBaron]

Chalk, ears and rats...

And not knowing he was going to be disturbed/interupted by a bunch of Jews (Schwartz, Diemschutz, Lawende and co) he did not start out the evening with Chalk on him. He had to get some. Which would also explain the time gap of the discovery of the apron/GSG from the time of Eddowes murder.

Perhaps Abby Normal, but heading back out after a rather exhaustive nights work simply to scapegoat seems unlikely.

Maybe the ripper just happened to see the graffiti (either before or after Eddowes) and a light bulb went off – “terrific, an easy way to further confound the cops.”

Just a thought -- could have been snatched up by a cat or a dog.

Excellent Wyatt Earp. And this returns us to the two theories that make the organ lugging discussion moot. The Giant rat theory and the clever Trevor morgue theory.

Well he may have planned to slice off an ear, Garry, but in the darkness made a pig's ear of it, only sliced off a small piece, which was then lost among her clothing. But if the apron piece was in the vestibule and not noticed first time round, would a tiny little ear on the ground have been spotted at all, let alone connected with the writing? People could easily have stepped on it or kicked it unknowingly. The apron piece was many times the size and as good a match to its other half, still with the body, as an ear would have been to its twin.

You people are getting silly, an ear would have proven Van Gogh the killer! Jeez..



Greg

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Bridewell. When you make a cut to someone, the knife is moving faster than the blood, so no blood will get on the blade. Same is true for stabbing if you remove the blade quick enough.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Bridewell]

Really?

Pockets! Come on, folks, it's not pocket science!


Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. No blood would have been on the knife in Stride's murder. Nothing to clean off.

Hi Tom.

A 6" incision to the neck causing severance of the left carotid artery and division of the windpipe. You've lost me (admittedly not that difficult sometimes). How does he do that without getting blood on his knife?

Regards Bridewell.

[mariab]

No blood would have been on the knife in Stride's murder. Nothing to clean off.

You mean, cuz of the scarf around her neck?

It's not pocket science, but so many peeps are standing on the pocket fence nowadays.

[Tom_Wescott]

Pockets! Come on, folks, it's not pocket science!


Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. No blood would have been on the knife in Stride's murder. Nothing to clean off.

[Wickerman]

You know, I don't think the killer took the apron for any other purpose but to leave it where he did. He could have taken a sleeve, a piece of petticoat, anything, but he cut away a good half of an apron. I think it was a reference to Leather Apron, a joke.

Mike

Mike.
Yet I find it more bizarre to consider the killer removed those sloppy wet organs and slid them into a pocket soiling his clothes with bloodstains, only to then slice off a sizable portion of apron for no other reason than to use it as a marker several streets away.

What else would he have had to put those organs in?, a black leather bag perhaps?

Regards, Jon S.

[Bridewell]

But you are surely not suggesting he only picked on Eddowes because she had a handy, easy to remove apron on her person, to use afterwards for the fluid seepage? If Hanbury St had taught him such a lesson he'd have simply brought something out with him for the purpose along with his newly sharpened knife.

Perhaps he did, but had already had to use it to clean his knife after Dutfields Yard. That's not an original idea, and I'm afraid I can't remember who originally suggested it on another thread. Plausible though, in my view.

Regards, Bridewell.

[The Good Michael]

You know, I don't think the killer took the apron for any other purpose but to leave it where he did. He could have taken a sleeve, a piece of petticoat, anything, but he cut away a good half of an apron. I think it was a reference to Leather Apron, a joke.

Mike

[Archaic]

Hi Caz.

Good points; I agree with you about the ear and the apron. A little piece of human ear lying on the ground was too prone to be stepped on and squashed, kicked out of the way, or even carried off by an animal- dog, cat, rodent.

The killer could easily have a canvas or oilcloth pouch in his pockets; he could even have sewn such a lining into his pockets to allow him to stash his trophies even faster.

If he was prepared for taking Annie's body parts a few weeks earlier, then he already knew what to do and how to do it quickly & efficiently. If he hadn't been ideally prepared at the time of Annie's murder, then by Sept. 30th he'd had several weeks to dwell on the subject, fantasize, and perfect his method.

For those of you who think a human body part would have made a better calling card, there's always the Lusk kidney... which was dismissed as a hoax by many. It's like the poor Ripper can't win.

Best regards,
Archaic