'the biggest blunder in the search for Jack the Ripper'

[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

"Literally no two people saw the same thing."

Why would all these policemen not have agreed amongst themselves upon the position, wording, grammar and lineage of the GSG, surely a clue as big as the Ritz?

BTW, although I don't believe it for a second I love your IWMES construct.

Regards,

Simon

[Tom_Wescott]

Why? No doubt because they were waiting for an American with his superior intellect and deducing powers to come along and solve the case for them. When you get to Heaven, tell them I said I'm sorry I was so late!

Just kidding. The answer is simple. They were focused on the first word, which was not a word, and not entirely clear, therefore they all saw something different. And because of this, they didn't pay much attention to the construct of the entire sentence, just the gist of it. My theory actually explains everything and makes absolutely perfect sense in conjunction with Stride, the apron, and why the graffiti was necessary in the first place. It's the only theory that does so and yet does not require Halse to have been committing LAPD style crimes on the streets of Whitechape! (wink)

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Phil's conclusions aren't unsound, but they're not entirely accurate. Jack had moonlight to work by and was using white chalk against black dado. The writing was certainly not done during the daylight, unless Phil is suggesting no one in the building saw it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hello Tom,

Being the cynic that I am, and being very forgetful too (age has it's curious additions) could you please tell me where in any testimony it was stated that it was a cloudless night, semi-cloudless night and the position of the moon in the night sky that night? Was it a full moon, half moon, or quarter moon? Where in the testimony or case evidence is this stated?

Please do forgive me, but I seem to recall that 2 hours before, an establishment closed in consequence of rain- which at that time would indicate clouds being around that night. Seems to this old cynic that there would be 'clouds across the moon' that night.

i look forward therefore to evidence of

a) the direction that the open entrance faced?
b) the position and height of the moon in the sky vis a vis the entrance?
c) the clear sky, without any passing clouds?
d) the position in the cycle of the moon on that date?
e) whom amongst the witnesses told us any of the above?
F) where you have this 'moonlight' answer from?

if you provide the above answers, and from which sources, I will willingly concede a possibility that the person who dumped the rag may have had the opportunity to write on the wall in MAX 3/4" high lettering (that was just the capital letters, the othess being "in proportion") which normally means half of that size 3/8" high...working bathed in moonlight.

Otherwise- it looks a teeny weeny bit doubtful that the above happened at the time of the dumping in moonlight.
But hey- Im a cynic- what do I know?

Best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil. The rain had long stopped, hence dry clothes all around on victim, etc. And unless there was a moon eclipse, I have no reason to suppose it was absolutely black outside. In any event, that graffiti had not been seen by any living soul prior to its discovery, so to suggest it had been there all day is an insult not only to the numerous policemen who worked that beat all day, but also to everyone who entered, left, or walked by those buildings for hours and hours between sunlight and the discovery of the writing and apron.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Simon Wood]

Hi Tom,

I'm thrilled that your theory "explains everything and makes absolutely perfect sense."

LAPD—There's a Leather Apron acronym in there somewhere.

Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Regards,

Simon

PS. Hi Phil, there was no moon on the night of the so-called double-event.

[Tom_Wescott]

By the way, just so there's no misunderstanding, the 'Phil' I was referencing in the post you quoted was Phil the Bear, who reactivated this thread.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

I'm thrilled that your theory "explains everything and makes absolutely perfect sense."

It does. And yet I'm not completely sold on it either!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil. The rain had long stopped, hence dry clothes all around on victim, etc. And unless there was a moon eclipse, I have no reason to suppose it was absolutely black outside. In any event, that graffiti had not been seen by any living soul prior to its discovery, so to suggest it had been there all day is an insult not only to the numerous policemen who worked that beat all day, but also to everyone who entered, left, or walked by those buildings for hours and hours between sunlight and the discovery of the writing and apron.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hello Tom,

Just two thìngs- you provide no answers I asked questions for and umm again, forgive me, but its very convenient that moonlight shone on the entrance so well to enable the writer in his prose, but not the two policemen who were patrolling. Damned fickle these clouds.

Again I ask- from WHERE have you the evidence of this moonlight?

Best wishes

Phil

PS- edit- No rain doesnt mean cloudless skies.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

It could be suggested that in a tenament full of Jewish inhabitants, that the writing was self written- saying " they will blame us anyway because we get blamed all the time anyway".

And it isnt certain in any way that the writing pertained to a murder. The apron piece is the only link. It is NOT certain the dumper wrote the prose, nor that the writer was the killer. It is assumption- made by the police that were so efficient that they couldnt agree on the content of the writing. So the above mentioned assumption comes from unreliable evidence gatherers.

Best wishes

Phil

[moonbegger]

Evening All ,

A good reason to believe the goulston street message is connected to the killer....
Why would the killer throw down the apron for no reason ? After all he had her insides in his bag , no reason whatsoever to throw it down when it would have been a lot easier to stick it back in his bag or pocket with the rest of her , and no trace of him left behind ? Also was there not a Street lamp across the street ?

moonbegger

[Phil Carter]

Hello Simon,

Thank you- just saw your PS.

Best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Evening All ,

A good reason to believe the goulston street message is connected to the killer....
Why would the killer throw down the apron for no reason ? After all he had her insides in his bag , no reason whatsoever to throw it down when it would have been a lot easier to stick it back in his bag or pocket with the rest of her , and no trace of him left behind ? Also was there not a Street lamp across the street ?

moonbegger

Hello mb,

Whatever light was was in that street- it cant have been very illuminating- because two policemen saw nothing in that entrance at around 2.20am- which means either they didnt actually look at that time or if they did they missed it or even that the rag wasnt there and was placed there afterwards..whìch means that the dumper and or writer was in the area for 30mins or so after the murder and went unnoticed by policemen hunting high and low for a killer. All pretty unbelievable- because it means the killer is amazing at hiding.

Best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Again I ask- from WHERE have you the evidence of this moonlight?

I have a color photo of the night sky taken on the night of the murder by building resident Israel Sunshine and it shows the moon and...wait a sec, I just got a PM....oh, it's Monty....Hmmmm....Seems I can't talk about this photo now, but you'll be able to see it in about 3 to 8 years after it's fully researched. Just remind me.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. The guy who wrote the graffiti had his nose up to the wall when writing it. The PCs did not. I hope that answers your question. And I agree with you that it is not an ascertained fact that the Ripper wrote the graffiti.

[moonbegger]

Evening All ,

A good reason to believe the goulston street message is connected to the killer....
Why would the killer throw down the apron for no reason ? After all he had her insides in his bag , no reason whatsoever to throw it down when it would have been a lot easier to stick it back in his bag or pocket with the rest of her , and no trace of him left behind ? Also was there not a Street lamp across the street ?

moonbegger

And the only reason the officer noticed the graffiti when he did , is because he was alerted to it after seeing the apron , then searching about .. so
what if the message was written before the double event even happened , maybe on the way to finding Liz Stride ! How much pressure would be on the shoulders of the murderer or even an accomplice to scrawl down what would appear to be an anti Semitic message on the walls of a mainly Jewish tenement building .. not a hanging offence that's for sure . And once the murder's had been taken care of , simply by placing or even throwing the piece of Catherine Eddows bloody apron beneath the chalk writing ( that had been scrawled a few hours before ) would take no time at all , my guess is you wouldn't even have the break pace at all ( that's if he was walking )

cheers
moonbegger

[Phil Carter]

I have a color photo of the night sky taken on the night of the murder by building resident Israel Sunshine and it shows the moon and...wait a sec, I just got a PM....oh, it's Monty....Hmmmm....Seems I can't talk about this photo now, but you'll be able to see it in about 3 to 8 years after it's fully researched. Just remind me.

Hello Tom,

It must be late at night here, but although slightly wicked, I find myself laughing at your humouous reply- it MUST be late!

i gather therefore that TW may have conceeded the battle of "the moonlight"- the manner becomes you. Get it? Moonlight becomes you- a ditty sung under badly illuminating street lamps. Bing!

Oh- Isreal Sunshine cannot have been at home when the writing occured- its obviously a "Wither-ed" idea- you know- "Aint no Sunshine when she's gone"...

It must be late. Time for shut eye.

Best wishes

Phil