'the biggest blunder in the search for Jack the Ripper'

[The Good Michael]

Bottom line is the evidence has ALWAYS been in favor of the Ripper having left the graffiti and it remains so.

Absolutely untrue. The evidence is that the apron and the graffiti are connected, but not that the killer wrote the graffiti. The killer knew of the graffiti, yes. He may or may not have written it.

Mike

[Phil Carter]

Hello all.

Philthebear has made some points that warrant thought.
Having read all views I am of the opinion of the following:-

IF the person who placed the rag in GS KNEW of the writing being there previously, then they did leave it so with intent to draw any attention AWAY from themselves and blame the Jewish poplace. Note it was left in a known Jewish tenament housing entrance AND with writing attracting attention to the Jews. This also applies if the carrier of the rag is also the writer of the message on the jamb/wall/brickwork. Then this person could equally have written the message when dumping the rag.

However, we have no clear proof the dumper was the writer, the writer was the killer, nor the killer was the dumper. That creates various problems, and other factors are brought into play be2use of it. An accomplice is one. The possibility of Eddowes herself in her wanderings from Bishopgate Police Station stopping off there and using a PRE TORN piece of the apron for wiping herself is another. We do NOT know when that piece was torn off.

I make no assumption on either point except that something is alarmingly wrong with the entire evidence surrounding the Eddowes murder from background to after comment by very many.

The police for example...

1) Time problems with the events surrounding the Mitre Square murder
2) Conflicting evidence and comment by the police, especially Swanson in his report
3) Lack of any comment or detail in any report on the ONLY two people seen NEAR the murder sgte by Halse which MUST be regarded as a very important follow up opportunity missed. If Halse had taken their names and particulars, their antecedants SHOULD have been checked at least the next morning. We onlx have the undetailed evidence of Halse saying they were given the ok and he let them go. Look throughout the WM case and time aod again people are taken in to be checked out. Yes, some are let go, but NOT 20-25mins after a murder in the near vicinity of the crime! And yet the ONLY known people stopped whilst every policeman about went searching for someone- wander off into the night without a mention
3) the problem of Long and Halse testimony
4) the diffèring evidence as to the GS writing
5) the photographer was sent for/wasnt sent for
6) that Warren orders 'evidence' removed
7) that no policeman verified Kelly's clearly false statement AND the lodging house attendants statement that is VERY wrong.
8) that no policeman identified a person SAID to have seen Eddowes carted off drunk who then. We are told KNEW the drunk woman, KNEW she was Kelly's woman and KNEW WHERE Kelly was. This is amazingly poor policework) ESPECIALLY as even if the time statement given by the lodgohm house attendant is a whole HOUR out- it doesnt give this witness, an old lady, TIME to find and tell KELLY that his woman has been arrested. And how does this old dear know WHERE Eddowes is taken anyway? In all of that area,
on a busy for pubs weekend evening an old lady just happens to recognise Eddowes and just happens to know Kelly and where to find him- he must have been wej known in the area and so must Eddowes!
9) this star old lady with keen eyesight would have identified Eddowes as the person she saw drunk if taken to the mortuary AFTER Kelly identified her thereby confirming ID. Because the police didnt go looking for her(not hard- Kelly knew where she worked)
It didnt happen.
10) apparent conflict between the two forces (City and Met) didnt help either.

Then we have doctors time statements which primae facea do not tally with the police re time of death. Then we have witness statements which dont add up to close scrutiny (see above)

then the quite amazing comment in the official police report sent upwards that the chalk writing was blurred- which defies all logic as it is between 3/8"and 3/4" high and according to Warren and Co is readable by passers by even if a pc was standing in front of it in dawn light! And not to mention residents who might have seen it on their way out of the building even though there was a back exit that could have been directed to use!

biggest blunder? The whole damned case surrounding the demise of Kate Beddowes- or Eddowes if you prefer. They didnt even know her name.

time for bed said Zeberdee.

Best wishes

Phil

[mariab]

Maybe he'll send you a photo of a graffito containing obscenities, which might satisfy you doubly. Also known as the Double Event of 2012.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Maria,

Yes, you're misrepresenting Monty again. He and I were debating this stuff back before I solved the ca....err....discovered Le G....starting researching suspects.

Hi Dave,

Yeah, that's it. I'm wanting him to send me obscenities. Quick bunch on here tonight. LOL.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Cogidubnus]

That's a cold hard fact, and anyone who thinks they can prove me wrong is welcome to e-mail their photographic proof to me at tomwescott73@gmail.com.

You're only hoping to get some obscenities in return!

Dave

[mariab]

You mean 'Cornwellian', as in I'm going to sell a lot of books like Patricia Cornwell?

Monty might be referring to what I warned you about the other day, pertaining to an "omnipresent" suspect à la Sickert. Though I'm sure you'll be careful to avoid this in your book.

To Monty: And here I go, possibly misrepresenting you again.

[Tom_Wescott]

As a matter of fact, no there's not. There's not a pic of ANY graffiti in or near Goulston Street on the day of or after the murder. Such a pic does NOT exist. That's a cold hard fact, and anyone who thinks they can prove me wrong is welcome to e-mail their photographic proof to me at tomwescott73@gmail.com.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Monty]

Isn't there Tom?

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

Of course Tom,

Graffiti didn't exist prior to and on that date.

Did I say that? Graffiti was everywhere, but there's no record of any in Goulston Street at that time. Incidentally, if you have a pic of the Pinchin Street torso graffiti, PM me and tell me about it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Trevor. No, a piece of evidence that proves or disproves something would be called proof. That's why we have 'circumstantial evidence' but not 'circumstantial proof', because proof is an absolute.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Monty]

Of course Tom,

Graffiti didn't exist prior to and on that date.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Phil and Trev,

Keep in mind that 'evidence' and 'proof' are not the same thing. There clearly is a bunch of evidence to suggest the Ripper wrote the graffiti, but there is no 'proof'. And yes, the majority of opinion at the time was that the Ripper wrote it. Warren lost his job over having erased it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

But is not evidence something which proves or disproves something ?

[Tom_Wescott]

Wow Tom,

Shot down by the new kids.

Trevor's a 'new kid'? 30 years investigating, a book, a documentary, dozens of live talks...geez, when does he get to graduate?

I just love your Cornwallian approach.

You mean 'Cornwellian', as in I'm going to sell a lot of books like Patricia Cornwell? Or are you suggesting that I am sneaking up from behind, i.e. through Cornwall?

And I've photos of graffiti throughout the area, including two murder sites.

Yes, but were any of those photos taken in Goulston Street on Sept 30/Oct 1, 1888? If not, what's your point?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Cogidubnus]

Trevor

I wholeheartedly agree with you (bugger me that hurt!)

All the very best

Dave

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil and Trev,

Keep in mind that 'evidence' and 'proof' are not the same thing. There clearly is a bunch of evidence to suggest the Ripper wrote the graffiti, but there is no 'proof'. And yes, the majority of opinion at the time was that the Ripper wrote it. Warren lost his job over having erased it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott