The "REAL" Article

[Blackkat]

The only people that I know of that would have carried chalk with them during that time, were butchers. Butchers always wrote on their chalk boards for their customers. It's be theorized that Jack could have been a butcher, and thus he would have had chalk, and it's the one profession you could walk the streets without anyone thinking too much about you having blood on your clothing.

Anyhoo, Juwes is how the masons old book or how they spell it right? It didn't have anything to do with the Jewish race/ religion. You have to wonder if whomever wrote this, was trying to make it seem as though a freemason was responsible. (That's leaning towards the writing NOT being done by Jack)

If he did write it, maybe he was trying to place a link. Chalk, Apron - and maybe the writing was something that was A) already there, B) something that made no connection what so ever and would have been written on purpose to throw off the police. C) written after the murder for the intention of telling the police or SOMEONE a message that maybe only they would understand. Doophis did have it erased.

[Sam Flynn]

The only people that I know of that would have carried chalk with them during that time, were butchers. Butchers always wrote on their chalk boards for their customers...

Hi BK,

Chalk was practically the only multi-purpose writing medium of its day and many people - no matter their age, sex or occupation - would have had easy access to it. Its use certainly wasn't confined to butchers, or to any particular profession, including the irregularly employed darts-player coming home from his local pub.

[Dan Norder]

Anyhoo, Juwes is how the masons old book or how they spell it right?

Nope -- or at least there's been no reliable evidence found that supports this idea. The only sources making that claim have been Stephen Knight, specifically trying to find a way to connect Freemasons to the story and some books taking Knight's claims at face value. So far there's never been any reference to "Juwes" found in any reference involving Freemasons predating the Royal Conspiracy claims, and I've looked through several that almost certainly would have had the term if it had been a real word used in Freemasonry.

[Monty]

Nov9,

So if he did write this message, which seemed to be important to him, to take the time to write, with a major man hunt going on for him, and a bloody apron behind him, why not just send another letter to the newspapers, with that message on it? The circulation would have been better.

Bingo.

Plus no reference to the apron, Eddowes or any of the murders in the message.

Why not?

Monty

[Fisherman]

johnnyerwin asks:

"Is there any sources to indicate how common this form (or any form) of Graffiti was at the time?"

On the old boards, Johnny, there was a lengthy discussion of this particular topic. I can´t seem to remember any two persons agreeing on anything on it, but i do believe that my stance on it was that as man has expressed himself profusely in graffiti form from the Lascaux Cave onwards, I think it would be in the extreme if the 1888 East End proved to be "an unwritten wall" in this respect...

As a matter of fact, I think I will stay with that view. Makes sense, I feel.

The best,
Fisherman

[Blackkat]

Dan,
Heya - thanks so much! So bring me up to speed here. Are we basically seeing, that whomever write this just didn't spell correctly? Do you think there was anything to how it was spelled?

Sam:

I agree there were many people that could have had chalk, that was my bad for making it seem like I was stating that only butchers would have had it. You are correct anyone could have had a piece of chalk, I was just posting about a theory that I had read. Most likely people that would have chalk etc. I'm probably a little biased on that one anyway. My father was a butcher and even though it was already into the 1970's he still used that chalk on his chalkboards too.

[Monty]

johnnyerwin asks:

"Is there any sources to indicate how common this form (or any form) of Graffiti was at the time?"

On the old boards, Johnny, there was a lengthy discussion of this particular topic. I can´t seem to remember any two persons agreeing on anything on it, but i do believe that my stance on it was that as man has expressed himself profusely in graffiti form from the Lascaux Cave onwards, I think it would be in the extreme if the 1888 East End proved to be "an unwritten wall" in this respect...

As a matter of fact, I think I will stay with that view. Makes sense, I feel.

The best,
Fisherman

Fisherman and all,

A couple of half wits wrote a dissertation that included, amongst other things GSW connected, this topic of how common graffiti was.

Just cant remember who did it...suffice to say I found the second arguement, by an extremely handsome fellow I may add, the more likely of the two.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

On the night/day of the "Double Event" we are told that the preceding day had been "fine; sudden heavy rain at 9.05 p.m. lasting till after midnight."

Because of the rain, Joseph Lawende and his friends waited in the Imperial Club until after 1.30 a.m.

If, as Commissioner Charles Warren would have us believe, the GSG was written on the "jamb of the open archway" at some time between the discovery of Eddowes' body and PC Long's fortuitous find, its author would have been chalking his/her message on wet/damp brickwork.

Chalk breaks up and begins to dissolve on wet surfaces.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Simon,

Surely the jamb would have been protected from the elements due to its angle, especially if the wind was travelling northward.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

And if the wind wasn't travelling northward?

Nice try.

Regards,

Simon

[Dan Norder]

Are we basically seeing, that whomever write this just didn't spell correctly?

That seems to be most likely.

[Monty]

Simon,

Cite the evidence it was travelling southward.

There was no reports of high winds, just heavy rain. Which petered out after midnight.

I also cannot find any report by Long, Halse or anyone stating that the wall was damp or wet.

Whilst I cannot say with certainty the jamb was indeed wet, I find that you also cannot say with certainty that it was.

What I will say is that only one corner of the apron was wet (with alledged blood), and seeing as the apron was supposedly found directly below the writing, indications are that the floor on that side of the jamb was fairly dry.

That try better?

Monty

[Blackkat]

Durrr "whomever write this" wtf? Whomever wrote this.

Thanks for the reply Dan

[NOV9]

The apron provides credibility for the message, which, in turn, ties in with the other Jewish "associations" of the night. With hindsight, we can see that he got pretty good circulation after all.

Maybe so, but even Barnett was reading the newspaper, and he could not even afford his rent.

I'll stick with the paper for better circulation.

[Sam Flynn]

Simon,

Cite the evidence it was travelling southward.

Curse the server crash! I'm sure I posted a contemporary weather report on the old boards ('twas only a few months ago) that showed that there was a stiff breeze blowing Northwest-to-Southeast that night.