The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[APerno]

By "first floor", I presume you mean "ground floor" (in Brit-speak).

Yep! Sorry.

[harry]

Correct Simon,so why should he assume it was connected to a murder.Did he know, at that time a murder had been committed in the area?Why leave his beat and take it to a police station?

[Wickerman]

He said he thought this bloodstained rag was connected to some incident within the building, thats why he searched the stairs, either for a body or an injured person.


Mr. Crawford: - May we take it that you thought you would be more likely to find the body of the murdered person there than the assassin?
Witness: - Yes.

[Wickerman]

If the shadowed area represents where the graffito would have been written, and the jamb is located same as, and is as wide as, the jamb above it (balcony), then I would conclude that Warren was correct it could be seen by any passerby. Too bad the first floor jamb width and location isn't obvious like the second floor.

Even if the graffiti was written on the jamb, we still do not know which side, left or right.
However, there are some pencil notes on Foster's scale drawing which appear to suggest a street lamp was close to the entrance where the graffiti was written.



A note like this has no real importance if the graffiti was inside the entrance, only if it was on the jamb and where the nearest light source was to enable the author to write something at that time of night.
The street lamp would be over the shoulder of the writer if it was written on the right side jamb, like this...



The 72.0" dim. is only to indicate 6ft, the 49.5" dim. is top of the highest brick where the graffiti could have been written. This, using the Daily News as a referfence as they reported the top of the black dado was 4ft (48.0") from the ground.

The red irregular shape represents where the piece of apron could have been.

Note: the iron railings are removed in the above pic. which gives the false impression that the public could walk right passed the entrance. The archway was roughly set 3ft back from the public footway/footpath.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Harry,

Two police witnesses in Goulston Street at approximately the same time and place. Yet neither reports seeing the other, the piece of apron, or the chalked message. Yet, within the hour, one of them discovers the chalked message and piece of apron, and a little later at the mortuary the other is first to notice that a piece of apron is missing from the deceased.

Yes, it's one of many BS stories that make up the WM.

Regards,

Simon

[Leanne]

The Foreman: Was there any possibility of a stranger escaping from the house? - Not from the front.
[Coroner] Did you not know about the back? -
LONG: No, that was the first time I had been on duty there.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS BACK ENTRANCE/EXIT?
was it accessable by anyone entering the front entrance? (Without going up the stairs which were searched?)

[Monty]

Hi Harry,

Two police witnesses in Goulston Street at approximately the same time and place. Yet neither reports seeing the other, the piece of apron, or the chalked message. Yet, within the hour, one of them discovers the chalked message and piece of apron, and a little later at the mortuary the other is first to notice that a piece of apron is missing from the deceased.

Yes, it's one of many BS stories that make up the WM.

Regards,

Simon

Approximate being the crux word. In the midst of darkness I add.

People see see what they wish to see.

I refer to my response to Wickerman regarding police beat procedure.

Monty

[Monty]

I’m sure many of the old hands here recognise this circular debate. It’s interesting to note the posts above are almost identical from those made in 2002.

The writing is immaterial in terms of evidence.

Holds no insight whatsoever.

Monty

[Monty]

Correct Simon,so why should he assume it was connected to a murder.Did he know, at that time a murder had been committed in the area?Why leave his beat and take it to a police station?

Why was Long drafted in to Whitechapel? To supplement a force actively engaged in making large scaale enquiries into a murder scare. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable for Long to make a connection between a bloody rag and these series of murders.

Long had indeed heard of a murder in the area though I believe that was post apron piece discovery.

Beat constables are permitted to leave their beats if they deem it necessary. Should he have held on to it until the EOD?

Monty

[Sam Flynn]

Why was Long drafted in to Whitechapel? To supplement a force actively engaged in making large scaale enquiries into a murder scare. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable for Long to make a connection between a bloody rag and these series of murders.

Long had indeed heard of a murder in the area though I believe that was post apron piece discovery.

Beat constables are permitted to leave their beats if they deem it necessary. Should he have held on to it until the EOD?

Indeed - it's quite straightforward, really. What better justification to leave one's beat than the discovery of a freshly blood-stained piece of women's clothing, in a district where women were being murdered on the streets at the time?

[Sam Flynn]

The writing is immaterial in terms of evidence.

Holds no insight whatsoever.

Agreed. Convoluted theories about its being left by a stray dog or by Eddowes herself aside, the blood- and fæces-stained apron is enough on its own to indicate that the killer had been there.

[Trevor Marriott]

Indeed - it's quite straightforward, really. What better justification to leave one's beat than the discovery of a freshly blood-stained piece of women's clothing, in a district where women were being murdered on the streets at the time?

he didnt know it was a piece of womans clothing at the time, it could have been anything,

Just for clarity the apron piece was spotted with blood, not bloodstained there is a difference

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Monty]

To clarify, the apron was soaked at the corner with blood, as well as dotted with the material.

Enough for PC Long to be concerned, and to report it.

Monty

[Monty]

Agreed. Convoluted theories about its being left by a stray dog or by Eddowes herself aside, the blood- and fæces-stained apron is enough on its own to indicate that the killer had been there.

Yep.

The writing is completely and utterly immaterial. Taking a photograph of it is a pointless act. It’s use is non-beneficial.

Monty

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

PC Long found the apron piece before anyone knew it was missing.

I went on from there.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

But it would have been found eventually by someone. I can’t see why it’s surprising or suspicious that it was found by someone that was actually paid to be vigilant?