The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

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  • Herlock Sholmes
    Commissioner
    • May 2017
    • 21827

    #3106
    Why anybody accepts the official line is one of the enduring myths of ripperology .
    I'm sure we're bright enough to spot bull**it aren't we ?
    Because the alternative, that Warren saw some hidden meaning in the graffito, is too preposterous to be given the time of day.
    Regards

    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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    • packers stem
      Inspector
      • Aug 2010
      • 1455

      #3107
      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

      Your horse is shitting on every thread.
      At least he doesn't need dragging along on the tails of others
      You can lead a horse to water.....

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      • packers stem
        Inspector
        • Aug 2010
        • 1455

        #3108
        Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

        You're going to have to provide that quote.

        Why do you say that it seemed to have been recently written? - It looked fresh, and if it had been done long before it would have been rubbed out by the people passing. I did not notice whether there was any powdered chalk on the ground, though I did look about to see if a knife could be found

        Telegraph 12th
        Last edited by packers stem; 06-30-2019, 06:25 PM.
        You can lead a horse to water.....

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        • packers stem
          Inspector
          • Aug 2010
          • 1455

          #3109
          Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

          Because the alternative, that Warren saw some hidden meaning in the graffito, is too preposterous to be given the time of day.
          How did you get onto hidden meanings?
          I was talking about Warren pretending it was on the jamb when I mentioned 'official line' ......
          You can lead a horse to water.....

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          • Simon Wood
            Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 5551

            #3110
            If the GSG was as small as PC Halse described, how would it have caused a riot against the Jews?
            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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            • Sam Flynn
              Casebook Supporter
              • Feb 2008
              • 13322

              #3111
              Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
              If the GSG was as small as PC Halse described, how would it have caused a riot against the Jews?
              Well, it was evidently legible, for those bothered to read it. Letters of an inch or three-quarters high are perfectly readable.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • packers stem
                Inspector
                • Aug 2010
                • 1455

                #3112
                Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                Well, it was evidently legible, for those bothered to read it. Letters of an inch or three-quarters high are perfectly readable.
                From a few feet .....
                If a bobby stood in front of it how many antisemitic , riot hungry residents of Wentworth model dwellings were likely to push him out of the way so that they could attempt to decipher it ?
                You can lead a horse to water.....

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                • Simon Wood
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5551

                  #3113
                  And let's not forget that the Goulston Street entrancways were set about three feet back from the main pavement/sidewalk.

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                  Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                  • Herlock Sholmes
                    Commissioner
                    • May 2017
                    • 21827

                    #3114
                    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

                    How did you get onto hidden meanings?
                    I was talking about Warren pretending it was on the jamb when I mentioned 'official line' ......
                    I’m unaware of any alternative reason that has been suggested as to why Warren agreed to the graffito being erased other than that he saw some hidden meaning in it.
                    Regards

                    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                    • Simon Wood
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5551

                      #3115
                      Warren could have ordered the GSG preserved in aspic, and 131 years later people would still be arguing over its meaning.

                      The GSG has no meaning, except that which we have attributed to it.

                      The GSG was a clever piece of misdirection, employed to lend weight to PC Long's harmonious discovery of the apron piece.
                      Last edited by Simon Wood; 06-30-2019, 09:02 PM.
                      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                      • Wickerman
                        Commissioner
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 14864

                        #3116
                        Originally posted by packers stem View Post


                        Why do you say that it seemed to have been recently written? - It looked fresh, and if it had been done long before it would have been rubbed out by the people passing. I did not notice whether there was any powdered chalk on the ground, though I did look about to see if a knife could be found

                        Telegraph 12th
                        Exactly, he didn't say he looked specifically for chalk dust. If he had looked he could say there was none, or there was some.
                        So it is incorrect to keep saying he looked, he didn't. He was looking for obvious clues like a weapon or spots of blood.
                        Regards, Jon S.

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                        • APerno
                          Detective
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 329

                          #3117
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                          If the shadowed area represents where the graffito would have been written, and the jamb is located same as, and is as wide as, the jamb above it (balcony), then I would conclude that Warren was correct it could be seen by any passerby. Too bad the first floor jamb width and location isn't obvious like the second floor.

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                          • Sam Flynn
                            Casebook Supporter
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 13322

                            #3118
                            Originally posted by APerno View Post
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                            If the shadowed area represents where the graffito would have been written, and the jamb is located same as, and is as wide as, the jamb above it (balcony), then I would conclude that Warren was correct it could be seen by any passerby. Too bad the first floor jamb width and location isn't obvious like the second floor.
                            By "first floor", I presume you mean "ground floor" (in Brit-speak).
                            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                            • Herlock Sholmes
                              Commissioner
                              • May 2017
                              • 21827

                              #3119
                              Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                              Warren could have ordered the GSG preserved in aspic, and 131 years later people would still be arguing over its meaning.

                              The GSG has no meaning, except that which we have attributed to it.

                              The GSG was a clever piece of misdirection, employed to lend weight to PC Long's harmonious discovery of the apron piece.
                              What leads you to believe that Simon?
                              Regards

                              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                              • Simon Wood
                                Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 5551

                                #3120
                                Hi Herlock,

                                PC Long found the apron piece before anyone knew it was missing.

                                I went on from there.

                                Regards,

                                Simon
                                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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