Height of GSG a Clue?

[The Good Michael]

Mike,

I go with the Halse version because it is his testimony at the inquest that is given regarding the dado, the chalk, the size, and the round schoolboy's hand. Long doesn't contradict Halse in any of his statements, though being a constable, with Halse a detective officer, that might be expected. 3 or 5 lines doesn't appear to matter much aside from a bit more crouching.

Mike

[diana]

Correction and wrist angle

I just reread the first post in this thread which I wrote several days ago and was chagrined to find an error.

I spoke of writing on a "horizontal surface". I should have said a "vertical surface".

The phenomenon I describe of deteriorating control I believe is associated with the angle of the wrist. When writing at eye level or above the wrist is bent backward only slightly.

As the hand descends to a lower level on a vertical surface the wrist is bent back more and more until one reaches a 90 degree angle between the forearm and hand resulting in a major loss of control.

This may happen at different levels for different people. I am 5' 5". After a brief experiment with a piece of paper and my living room wall I found that my wrist arrived at a 90 degree angle at 42 1/2 inches from the floor. I could not write neatly. (I was standing erect for this).

Of course sitting on ones heels would compensate for this as is illustrated in the photograph in the previous post. But then if one was running from the police would he crouch like that?

[Jon Guy]

Of course sitting on ones heels would compensate for this as is illustrated in the photograph in the previous post. But then if one was running from the police would he crouch like that?

Yes.

Writing on the jamb crouching down would present less chance of being seen than standing up.

[diana]

Remember he is crouching over the apron piece which certainly would get him into a world of trouble if he is seen with it.

[Jon Guy]

Remember he is crouching over the apron piece which certainly would get him into a world of trouble if he is seen with it.

True, Diana, but if a copper was looking up Goulston St he would have less chance of seeing someone crouching down in a doorway than if he was standing.

Remember, our boy did most of his ghastly work crouching down.

[Sam Flynn]

Remember he is crouching over the apron piece

We don't know that for sure, Diana. The apron piece could have been a yard or more to one side of him, for all we know - and we don't know that he crouched (to do anything) in that doorway. If a given location compelled him to cower or crouch before he could write, why not choose somewhere else to drop the apron and scribble his message anyway?

[perrymason]

We don't know that for sure, Diana. The apron piece could have been a yard or more to one side of him, for all we know - and we don't know that he crouched (to do anything) in that doorway. If a given location compelled him to cower or crouch before he could write, why not choose somewhere else to drop the apron and scribble his message anyway?

As far as the apron section is concerned Sam, I agree,...in fact, why carry it all the way to Goulston if its just a handi- wipe. The fact that it was there, possibly over an hour after the murder occurred, does seem to indicate that he was there, and could have written it while there,...and that the reason it started at the height it did is because at that location that was the best contrast area to write on.

We cant expect grafitti artists, or killer grafitti artists to wander around town looking for some dark space that was a suitable space based on the height he/she would prefer to write at. Seems to me a message that involves Jews, negatively or positively, would only have real impact in a location predominantly travelled by Jews...and he does leave a piece of crime scene evidence there...the crime scene that is on the figurative porch of the Model Dwellings, almost soley populated by Jews....and this is some needless distance for him to be carrying a wiping implement that can be linked directly to a fresh corpse, so perhaps the cloth alone shows his interest in Jews being aware of this site and the "event", why should having to adjust the height he writes his notes at be an issue.

Best regards all.

[Sam Flynn]

We cant expect grafittio artists, or killer grafitti artists to wander around town looking for some dark space that was a suitable space based on the height he/she would prefer to write at.

There must, surely, have been a more suitable surface somewhere en route that wasn't whitewashed from stomach-level up, Mike?

BTW: I liked your use of the clause "or killer graffiti artists" in that sentence. Without it, the obvious counter would have been, "Well, Jack was no graffiti artist; he was a killer on the run from a crime scene". However, you cleverly closed that option off, albeit only by the expedient of trapping Jack in a tautological net

[Sam Flynn]

perhaps the cloth alone shows his interest in Jews being aware of this site and the "event", why should having to adjust the height he writes his notes at be an issue.

There was nothing particularly special about the WMD when it came to having a large Jewish tenant base, and there were other doorways en route in which to skulk and scrawl - should he have wished to do so. I'd imagine that not all of them would have been encumbered by a layer of white bricks occupying ⅝ths of the wall, either.

[perrymason]

There must, surely, have been a more suitable surface somewhere en route that wasn't whitewashed from stomach-level up, Mike?

BTW: I liked your use of the clause "or killer graffiti artists" in that sentence. Without it, the obvious counter would have been, "Well, Jack was no graffiti artist; he was a killer on the run from a crime scene". However, you cleverly closed that option off, albeit only by the expedient of trapping Jack in a tautological net

Youve known me for a few years now Gareth...well, weve learned some of each other, so Im sure youre never surprised when I pose rhetorical questions.

The absolute best thing that you and other well learned and articulate members have taught me...sometimes to my chagrin, is to "anticipate" when making a post.

I had a friend who, when last I spoke with him, was in his 10th year of Philosophy, and the lessons began with him. You couldnt get away with any loose concepts in any statement at any time. I wanted to smack him sometimes.

Best regards bud.

[DVV]

Hi all,
hasn't this thread put the graffito closer to the piece of apron?

[Sam Flynn]

hasn't this thread put the graffito closer to the piece of apron?

Possibly along the vertical dimension, David - or the "Y" axis, as I suggested yesterday. Horizontally, on the "X" axis, the two artefacts could have been offset by a few feet from one another, and still satisfy the criterion of the writing being "on the wall above" the apron. This crude "bird's-eye view", by no means to scale, should give you an idea of what I mean:

[DVV]

Thanks Sam,
but if in the same sketches, you write the text at shoulders' height, the apron wouldn't be so close, neither in A, nor B?

[Sam Flynn]

Thanks Sam,
but if in the same sketches, you write the text at shoulders' height, the apron wouldn't be so close, neither in A, nor B?

True, David - although apron "B" is at a disadvantage, since it is located at the vertex of a hypotenuse. Had I not created a right-angled triangle by exaggeratedly putting "A" perpendicular to the graffito, the difference would be less noticeable. Bloody Pythagoras!

[Johnr]

Establishing the chain of possession.

Greetings All,

I know nothing of philospohy nor logic.
But a couple of things are patent to my mind (concerning the height of the GS Graffiti, and the height of the writer).
Come to think of it, there are three things:
(1)For graffitti to be effective it must be read by its intended audience ( or readership);
(2)Surely, another option for the height of the writer -if JTR used Occam's Razor -is for him to have been one of the denizens on that Invisible World, of cripples and midgets, and beggars and demented persons? Most of whom had been malnourished in this concrete jungle.And possibly, had not grown to average height as the result?
(3) How do my fellow posters know that the apron was brought to this Model Dwelling Building by the murderer theirself? Has the chain of unbroken possession been established beyond reasonable doubt?
On an old board, it was even suggested a foraging dog might have dropped it.
So, all is not so cut and dried.
Finally, why was there no linking graffitti at the other Jewish neighbouring JTR murder sites?
JOHN RUFFELS.