Height of GSG a Clue?

[Sam Flynn]

Wouldnt "Juwes are innocent", or "Jewes done it and should pay for it",.. something blunt and short, be more likley from a child?

I dunno, Mike - one might expect an ungrammatical sentence from a child, which is what we have here. Constructions of the type "It weren't me, sir - I didn't do nothin'..." strike me as a particularly childish form of protest.

Would a child scrawl grafitti where it is most effective, or where he could do so without being seen,...Im not sure this location fits the second scenario's criteria....at least when children would be around there, mostly in daylight I would imagine.

I'd think it quite possible that a child would feel rather tempted by such circumstances - perhaps as a "dare", even.

Of course I understand where the discussion of children fits into this thread question, but the messages ambiguity, and the nerve of writing this where Jewish people are the primary resident ethnic group, hints of an adults conception of how to maximize the impact of the message...and potential sarcasm woudnt be something wed see from a child, would we? Wouldnt "Juwes are innocent", or "Jewes done it and should pay for it",.. something blunt and short, be more likley from a child?

Would a child scrawl grafitti where it is most effective, or where he could do so without being seen,...Im not sure this location fits the second scenario's criteria....at least when children would be around there, mostly in daylight I would imagine.

Cheers all.

[The Good Michael]

A child - or adult - is not necessarily a tabula rasa.

Well, you haven't been to Korea then.

[Sam Flynn]

I was suggesting 2 possibilities, i.e., antisemitism or solidarity, and that either an adult or a child wrote it.

What if an antisemitic child, or a child showing Jewish solidarity, wrote it? That's one step, surely? A child - or adult - is not necessarily a tabula rasa.

[The Good Michael]

Is anti-semitism therefore innate, Mike? I don't see that absorbing the views of one's peers or parents constitutes an extra step - it happens naturally.

No it isn't. I was suggesting 2 possibilities, i.e., antisemitism or solidarity, and that either an adult or a child wrote it. I think to make an assumption that a kid is copying his parents words adds an extra step that I'm not opposed to, but that is not a hallmark of Occam's razor. Incidentally, I don't think that particular principle fits with JTR exactly.

Cheers,

Mike

[Sam Flynn]

No. That would be the opposite of Occam's razor. It would be the creation of a scenario that adds extra steps to the logical conclusion that a person who was being either pro-Jew or antisemitic wrote it. It could be that a schoolboy did it, but creating a link that involves parroting, takes us away from the Occam's Razor concept.

Is anti-semitism therefore innate, Mike? I don't see that absorbing the views of one's peers or parents constitutes an extra step - it happens naturally.

Even parrots have to start somewhere

[The Good Michael]

If Jack The Ripper used Occam's Razor, could not a school child, parrotting some of the anti-Jewish parlour comments of his parents, have chalked up the GSG?

No. That would be the opposite of Occam's razor. It would be the creation of a scenario that adds extra steps to the logical conclusion that a person who was being either pro-Jew or antisemitic wrote it. It could be that a schoolboy did it, but creating a link that involves parroting, takes us away from the Occam's Razor concept.

Cheers,

Mike

[Johnr]

In the Late Victorian Period, an increasing number of charitable projects, mainly church mission operations, sought to provide the rudiments of education to the children of the "down-trodden".
For instance, the poor working class denizens of the Eastern portions of London.
These children would not have had access to paper and exercise books, as their post-decessors did.They wrote on slates with chalk: in a sort of "rounded, schoolboy" style. Using chalk....
On average, most of these students would have been about the same height as Toulouse-Lautrec; only they spoke a different lingo.
And, one assumes, they might not have had such an easy familiarity with prostitutes as T-L.
Repeating a line I am much proud of: If Jack The Ripper used Occam's Razor, could not a school child, parrotting some of the anti-Jewish parlour comments of his parents, have chalked up the GSG?


After all, if we have to ask , as a neighbouring thread does, " What Does The GSG Mean ? " then surely, the author of the GSG has failed to communicate with their target audience.
JOHN RUFFELS.

[Stewart P Evans]

Dado

From my 1887 standard dictionary -

Dado, the square part of a pedestal, between base and cornice; wainscotting round a wall (It. a die).

[diana]

So at 48 inches we are either talking about a child or a crouching man. (Where was Toulouse Lautrec in 1888?)

[The Good Michael]

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Good Mike, your second dado definition hinted at "support", or a "structural" element, I think that is what the key is here, it was not moulding which in all cases is decorative only. Also, the lower black brick is certainly applied to a "structural" or "support" section of the wall,...the load bearing part, the bottom.

Michael,

I thought this too, but the definition specifically mentions the support of a column or statue. It is interesting that the photo of the entryway shows a support column. I think the term 'dado' was used inappropriately if the definitions are correct and just the base of the wall was meant.

Cheers,

Mike

[Monty]

Rob,

And this is what some vandal did on the back of the buildings. Might still be there.

Dont mention the apron.

Thanks for the photos and Goads. I kinda remember you taking the entrance photo.

Monty


PS See, I can post about your photos without mentioning lens caps.

Thanks for that post Rob, and for your reply to my question Stewart.

I think based on the middle photo that Rob posted, which if exactly like the other entrances, in my opinion, it shows why the writing would start at around 48 inches, because its about at that height the black brick ends. Black being the superior contrast background to write in white on,....rather than on the yellow or red brick above.

Good Mike, your second dado definition hinted at "support", or a "structural" element, I think that is what the key is here, it was not moulding which in all cases is decorative only. Also, the lower black brick is certainly applied to a "structural" or "support" section of the wall,...the load bearing part, the bottom.

Best regards all.

[Rob Clack]

I think I am right in saying that all these coloured buildings were classed as Wentworth Dwellings, and as Neil said they were all built at the same time.



This is a sample of the brickwork from one of the other doorways



And this is what some vandal did on the back of the buildings. Might still be there.



Rob

[Monty]

Guys,

The dwellings were built only a few years (or so) before the murders. At the same time, the buildings opposite the dwellings (between New Goulston St and Wentworth St) were also built to the same design.

Therefore the entrances in that area were all the same.

I had the good fortune to visit the dwellings with Rob Clack and Phil Hutchinson a couple of years ago. We noted that the second entrance toward the south bore a striking similarity to the one in the Whittingham-Egan photo.

The bricks were porous, very porous, yet smooth in places. And they were actually black. There was a debate on if they were painted or not. Now I swear Rob did take some photos of this but in all the excitement Im not certain.

However, I am certain that he took photos of the rear of the dwellings. We managed to gain access via a passageway one Sunday morning, as the markets were setting up, and I know for certain he took pictures then. Now that was interesting.

Cheers
Monty