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  • #91
    Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

    "It was not there". Nothing vague about that answer to a direct question. Not, I might have missed it....like for example Eagle claims about a body lying there when he returns at 12:40, not could be sure, not I dont think so,...all of which could avoid him appearing seemingly inattentive.

    He was sure. If you arent, then thats another matter.
    I’m well aware, as is everyone, of your tendency toward over-confidence Michael but at least with you we realise the agenda behind it. Should we be 100% certain that Long was correct just because he sounded confident? Wouldn't life be simpler?

    Prosecutor:

    “Did you kill x?”

    Defendant:

    ”No I didn’t.”

    Prosecutor:

    ”He sounds absolutely certain Judge.”

    Judge:

    ”I agree. He has to be innocent. The Defendant is free to go.”

    ......

    Ill point out, because experience tells me that you’ll come up with your own version of reality, that I’m not saying that it was there and he missed it. It might not have been there. We have no way of being sure either way.

    But can we be certain that Long was diligent in checking? A man who was sacked 9 months later for being drunk on duty?

    Im certain that we should certainly abstain from too much certainty in this case. Of that I am quite........sure.



    Regards

    Herlock




    “...A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
    As night descends upon this fabled street:
    A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
    The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
    Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
    And it is always eighteen ninety-five.”

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    • #92
      I would add that Long was diligent enough to check that same entrance when he found the piece of bloodstained cloth there, followed by the writing on the wall, and rightly took action. What made him do that if he had not bothered to check properly on his earlier round? He didn't know about the Mitre Square murder and wasn't actively looking for evidence from a crime scene.

      I challenged Trev some years ago on his 'sanitary protection' theory, at a meeting of the Whitechapel Society, during the question and answer session after his talk. A photo of us together taken at the event appeared in the following WS magazine. I pointed out that the twelve pieces of white rag, some slightly bloodstained, which Eddowes had in her possession, were as good as the evidence gets that she had no need to cut up her only apron, even assuming she was still having regular periods. She carried all her possessions around with her, and my instincts tell me the dozen rags would have been washed and used again - like nappies used to be - explaining the slight bloodstaining on some of them, and would have served her perfectly well, pinned as needed to the inside waistband of her petticoat, back and front. The menopause is not instant for most women, so she'd have wanted some protection for at least a few months after her last period. Her possessions also included a piece of flannel and six pieces of soap, suggesting she took as much care of her personal hygiene as her circumstances allowed.

      The idea that Eddowes would have used a portion of her apron to clean herself up and discarded it just where the occupants of the Model Dwellings had to tread, is not only implausible, but adds insult to injury concerning the poor woman's habits.

      But Trev wasn't listening then, and he ain't about to listen now.

      Love,

      Caz
      X
      "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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      • #93
        Question?

        What would have happened to to the rag and indeed all of the victims possessions? Would they have just been thrown away at some some point?

        Tristan

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        • #94
          I think in many ways the GSG has been responsible for the development of a lot of the conspiracy theories relating to the case. I just don't buy it, that it was written by the murderer. Did he have some chalk in his pocket? Why was there no other graffiti or messages later on? Surely the murder of MJK would have been the perfect opportunity to write something else?

          Tristan

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          • #95
            Am I right in assuming there are not any examples of copy cat graffiti recorded, purporting to be messages from the killer? If no, seems strange considering the number of copy cat letters received after the dear boss letter. I wonder why this was?

            Tristan

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Losmandris View Post
              Am I right in assuming there are not any examples of copy cat graffiti recorded, purporting to be messages from the killer? If no, seems strange considering the number of copy cat letters received after the dear boss letter. I wonder why this was?

              Tristan
              https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...llwriting.html
              Thems the Vagaries.....

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Losmandris View Post
                I think in many ways the GSG has been responsible for the development of a lot of the conspiracy theories relating to the case. I just don't buy it, that it was written by the murderer. Did he have some chalk in his pocket? Why was there no other graffiti or messages later on? Surely the murder of MJK would have been the perfect opportunity to write something else?

                Tristan
                Hi Tristan,

                If the message was a tongue-in-cheek comment relating to the recent Leather Apron kerfuffle, it could simply be that by November the killer had moved on, as had the papers, and it was no longer a burning issue. If the killer wrote it, he clearly did have some chalk in his pocket and intended to use it on that occasion. He may have considered the scene he left in Kelly's room was message enough for anyone.

                Love,

                Caz
                X
                "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                • #98
                  Originally posted by caz View Post

                  Hi Tristan,

                  If the message was a tongue-in-cheek comment relating to the recent Leather Apron kerfuffle, it could simply be that by November the killer had moved on, as had the papers, and it was no longer a burning issue. If the killer wrote it, he clearly did have some chalk in his pocket and intended to use it on that occasion. He may have considered the scene he left in Kelly's room was message enough for anyone.

                  Love,

                  Caz
                  X
                  Very true. I suppose that we will just never know.

                  Tristan

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                  • #99
                    Re 'Juwes'

                    Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post

                    I love overthinking things, Abby!
                    Recently I've been overthinking the misspelling of 'Jews'.
                    It occurred to me that the misspelling may have been due to a lack of mastery of English, so that the not fully inhibited first language of the writer is hinted at.
                    More specifically - the misspelling is due to a sort of 'neural interference' effect - the writer is not yet fluent in English, and ends up writing words that blend their English with their first language.
                    graffito: Juwes (DC Halse)
                    Polish: Żydzi
                    German: Juden (masculine)
                    Hungarian: Zsidók
                    Russian: Евреи
                    Russian: Yevrei (anglicised)
                    The German 'Juden' seems a good candidate for the hypothesis, especially given that this is the masculine version of 'Jews' in that language, because it would seem to fit nicely with the men of the graffito...

                    The Juwes are not the men that will be blamed for nothing
                    The Juden are not the men that will be blamed for nothing


                    The anglicised Russian version works fairly well against the Home Office spelling...

                    The Jewes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing
                    The Yevrei are the men that will not be blamed for nothing


                    An extra letter, but one can imagine the 'vr' being mistaken for a 'w' ... Jevres
                    No wonder the spelling couldn't be agreed on.

                    Note that the pronunciation of 'Jews' in each of these languages is with two syllables - as one might pronounce 'Juwes'.
                    Anna beats Andy...

                    https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/the-...uwes#post27097

                    The next step is to realize who wrote the message; it was not JtR - it was The Lodger.
                    Andrew's the man, that is not blamed for nothing

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