From Hell (Lusk) Letter likely Fake

[Harry D]

Jewish bootmarkers didn't shaft customers. They were the ones who got shafted.

They won't be blamed for anything, will they?

[Scott Nelson]

Jewish bootmarkers didn't shaft customers. They were the ones who got shafted.

[Harry D]

If I accept any letter it is "From Hell".

I'm on the fence re GSG.

I would need a lot of convincing about "Dear Boss" or "Saucy Jack".

However I often wonder about the 100's of others and if any of them [maybe 1 or 5] might be from the killer.

Do you think it was mere coincidence that JTR happened to fulfill the promise in the 'Dear Boss' letter (re: 'clipping the lady's ear)?

As far as the GSG goes, I'm very sceptical. It wasn't there BEFORE the killing, correct? Therefore, I find it a little farfetched that JTR paused his getaway to write some vague, nonsensical graffito while the streets were buzzing with plod. I prefer Martin Fido's explanation that it was probably a disgruntled customer who had been shafted by one of the Jewish bootmakers. Like most aspects of the case, I remain open-minded, however.

[lynn cates]

right

Hello Jason. Precisely. Well spoke.

Cheers.
LC

[GUT]

If I accept any letter it is "From Hell".

I'm on the fence re GSG.

I would need a lot of convincing about "Dear Boss" or "Saucy Jack".

However I often wonder about the 100's of others and if any of them [maybe 1 or 5] might be from the killer.

[pinkmoon]

For well over twenty years I believed that the dear boss letter and the goulston street message and the from hell letter and all the other well known letters were genuine however over the years I have come to the conclusion that they are fake.I would love them to be genuine they add a fantastic twist to this case but applying certain basic logic and common sense you have to ask the most basic question "how hard would it be for our killer to leave no doubt that these communications were genuine" simple answer very easy indeed.Why not include a small piece of the victims clothing with the messages?why not make a reference to the fact you've just killed two women in the goulston street message?why not send the ears?

[Abby Normal]

Which is why, for all those reasons stated, I choose to believe the 'From Hell' letter is the real deal.

Yup. In terms do authenticity for ripper writings I rank the GSG, from hell and dear boss 1,2 and 3.

[Harry D]

Hey Sleuth1947,

You are correct.

There is a high probability that ALL of the correspondences are fake. But....if only one was in fact genuine, it is most probably....THE LUSK LETTER.
- It didn't mention JTR
- It contained a human kidney that may have been Eddowes
- It was sent and recieved around the correct time (and not miraculously found over 100 years later in a house in Liverpool!)
- and, it possesses some interesting 'slants' according to several hand-writting experts.

So, yes.

Nicole

Which is why, for all those reasons stated, I choose to believe the 'From Hell' letter is the real deal.

[Michael W Richards]

I am surprised that there appears to be so much skepticism about the Lusk "From hell" letter. It seems likely to me that the text might have been a combination of idiosyncratic speech and purposeful obfuscation. Moreover, as the kidney was ultimately shown to be human, it seems possible that it was indeed Eddowes'. Had DNA investigation been available in 1888, at least that question might have been put to rest. I frankly think the Lusk letter is the only genuine Ripper letter; does anyone else agree?

Hi Sleuth,

I would think its appropriate to view this correspondence as potentially from Kates killer, but for my money that doesnt equate to it being from Jack the Ripper. There are some interesting circumstantial elements to this event, and the fact that Lusk holds onto this package for 2 days before even telling his closest friends makes me wonder whether Lusk was threatened by an unknown madman or someone he knew. One would think that in that area at that time if anything seemingly relevant to the investigation was discovered it would be addressed immediately and thoroughly.

But not in this case. Lusk doesnt even take it to the authorities after telling his friends...he wants someone to examine it to see if its human.

And lets not forget, Lusk is in charge of one of the larger Vigilance Committees...he has tasked himself and his cohorts with trying to catch the killer terrorizing the neighborhood....and in comes this package, if from the killer, a potentially valuable bit of evidence at least prosecutorially if not investigatorially. And Lusk sits on it quietly for 48 hours.

Yep...I think he was afraid, but not of the unknown. If he had been I believe he would have run straight to the police with it.

Cheers

[Phil H]

And there is, of course, the possibility that we have a record of the sender seeking Lusk's postal address.

Though, even if the testimony is correct, the man involved might have been a hoaxer rather than "Jack"/the killer of Eddowes.

Phil

[nicole]

Hey Sleuth1947,

You are correct.

There is a high probability that ALL of the correspondences are fake. But....if only one was in fact genuine, it is most probably....THE LUSK LETTER.
- It didn't mention JTR
- It contained a human kidney that may have been Eddowes
- It was sent and recieved around the correct time (and not miraculously found over 100 years later in a house in Liverpool!)
- and, it possesses some interesting 'slants' according to several hand-writting experts.

So, yes.

Nicole

[curious4]

Kate's kidney

Bright's disease is inflammation of the kidneys. It's a general term for inflammation, and when someone 130 years ago had "Bright's disease," they could have had any of a collection of several diseases, one very common one, or at any rate, very common in 1888, less common now, was inflammation of the glomeruli, which are the actual filtration tissues. It's a likely candidate for what Eddowes could have had, because it was identifiable on sight, and it was chronic, but something people could potentially live with for a long time. The cause was sometimes a prior infection of strep, which is why it was once a lot more common than it is now, since people treat strep with antibiotics before it could cause something like this.

I don't know what "preservation in spirits" would do to make a kidney look more of less like it had glomerulitis; whether it might make a kidney that had the problem "settle down," or cause a healthy kidney to look discolored or puffy in a way that might seem inflamed.

Also, while the Lusk kidney is "half" a kidney, and we picture it as bisected through the median, so it's either the top or bottom half, it's possible that it could be a section without enough glomeruli to diagnose it.

And, then glomerulitis was more common than it used to be.

Evening all (been dying to say that),

The kidney was divided lengthways, wasn't it?

One thing has just struck me and that is why no attempt was made to match the pieces up (er, obviously with the remaining kidney!). Even if poor Kate had been laid to rest, exhumations were done at the time. Cold time of year, there would be a chance that the body wasn't too decomposed.

Best wishes,
C4

[Bridewell]

I am surprised that there appears to be so much skepticism about the Lusk "From hell" letter. It seems likely to me that the text might have been a combination of idiosyncratic speech and purposeful obfuscation. Moreover, as the kidney was ultimately shown to be human, it seems possible that it was indeed Eddowes'. Had DNA investigation been available in 1888, at least that question might have been put to rest. I frankly think the Lusk letter is the only genuine Ripper letter; does anyone else agree?

Hello, Sleuth,

Welcome to Casebook. I think that, if there is a genuine letter, it's this one. Perversely perhaps, the failure to jump on the "Jack the Ripper" band-wagon adds to its credibility. The acquisition of a human kidney would be nigh on impossible for most also. One argument favours a hoax by medical students but I doubt that many would want to risk their future careers by pulling such a stunt. I can't join you in saying that the Lusk letter "is the only genuine Ripper letter", but it's a more credible candidate than the rest.

[Sleuth1947]

I am surprised that there appears to be so much skepticism about the Lusk "From hell" letter. It seems likely to me that the text might have been a combination of idiosyncratic speech and purposeful obfuscation. Moreover, as the kidney was ultimately shown to be human, it seems possible that it was indeed Eddowes'. Had DNA investigation been available in 1888, at least that question might have been put to rest. I frankly think the Lusk letter is the only genuine Ripper letter; does anyone else agree?

[RivkahChaya]

There were clear indications of Bright's disease in Eddowes's remaining kidney, but I can't find clear evidence either way regarding the one sent to Lusk.

Bright's disease is inflammation of the kidneys. It's a general term for inflammation, and when someone 130 years ago had "Bright's disease," they could have had any of a collection of several diseases, one very common one, or at any rate, very common in 1888, less common now, was inflammation of the glomeruli, which are the actual filtration tissues. It's a likely candidate for what Eddowes could have had, because it was identifiable on sight, and it was chronic, but something people could potentially live with for a long time. The cause was sometimes a prior infection of strep, which is why it was once a lot more common than it is now, since people treat strep with antibiotics before it could cause something like this.

I don't know what "preservation in spirits" would do to make a kidney look more of less like it had glomerulitis; whether it might make a kidney that had the problem "settle down," or cause a healthy kidney to look discolored or puffy in a way that might seem inflamed.

Also, while the Lusk kidney is "half" a kidney, and we picture it as bisected through the median, so it's either the top or bottom half, it's possible that it could be a section without enough glomeruli to diagnose it.

And, then glomerulitis was more common than it used to be.