Dear Boss P.S.

[chris14]

Oh, I have to withdraw the first comment of my previous post... I've just read everything on the Victorian stampage-system in another thread.

[chris14]

I wonder why nobody wants to analyse the stamp on the envelope... It could contain the DNA of Jack. I'm sure they could find a gentle way for doing it, without harming the stamp/envelope.

Many people are able to write several ways. JTR was an intelligent man, I have no doubts. I'm sure he could change his handwriting-style.

[#6.]

Hi #6, and welcome.He doesn't really. The part that's in the future tense is the "you'll hear about Saucy Jacky's work tomorrow" bit, rather than the Double Event itself. In long-hand, the message translates as, "You'll hear [about what I've just done] tomorrow. [It was a] Double Event this time".

Thanks for the welcome.

Okay, I've added some missing words to make the letter read the way I believe the writer meant it to be understood taking what you said into consideration also. See what you think...

I was not codding dear old Boss when I gave you the tip, you'll hear about Saucy Jacky's work tomorrow,(It was a) double event this time; number one squealed a bit(and I) couldn't finish (her) straight off. Ha, (Did) not (have) the time to get (her) ears for (the) police. thanks for keeping last letter back till I got to work again.


It makes a tad more sense now and leaves open to interpretation whether he's simply relating the events as a "double event" or whether he planned on it being a double event from the get go.

Still, the writer claims it was the victims "squealing" that kept him from "finishing the job" rather than admit he was interrupted in his work.

Intersting.

Either it was not written by the real killer or the real killers’ ego wouldn't let him admit he was nearly caught.

Also, note how the writer used a comma in the beginning of the letter leading one to believe he understood punctuation but then failed to use any punctuation again.

[Sam Flynn]

Hi #6, and welcome.

And why move from future tense to past tense in one run-on sentence?

He doesn't really. The part that's in the future tense is the "you'll hear about Saucy Jacky's work tomorrow" bit, rather than the Double Event itself. In long-hand, the message translates as, "You'll hear [about what I've just done] tomorrow. [It was a] Double Event this time".

[#6.]

I'm new here so I apologize if this has been gone over ad nauseum before but this thread seemed to be the best place to bring my question up.

In the "Saucy Jack" letter the writer seems to be moving about the space time continuum a bit. He writes, "you'll hear about Saucy Jacky's work tomorrow double event this time..." In this statement he seems to be referring to something he's about to do. Then he follows it with this ..."number one squealed a bit couldn't finish straight off. ha not the time to get ears for police." This would seem to refer to something that's already happened.

I don't get it.

It's generally agreed by Ripperologists that he left the body of Elizabeth Stride unmutilated because he had been disturbed by Louis Diemschutz entering the yard. He only went on and slew Catherine Eddowes because he was left with the burning desire to "finish" his victim off "properly" as it were.

If the Saucy Jack letter is to be believed it was all a planned event. The writer openly states that the next killing will be a "double event". So we're led to believe from this message that he planned on killing two women that night from the start.

And why move from future tense to past tense in one run-on sentence?

Thoughts?



The whole letter:

I was not codding dear old Boss when I gave you the tip, you'll hear about Saucy Jacky's work tomorrow double event this time number one squealed a bit couldn't finish straight off. ha not the time to get ears for police. thanks for keeping last letter back till I got to work again.


Jack the Ripper

[Moriarty]

[QUOTE=Billy Bulger;43177]Hi guys,
I dont mean to be rude here, I'm in no position to be afterall but is there really any point in debating the Dear Boss letter(s)?
There has been a general consensus for some time now that the letter was written by Thomas Bullen/Bulling or by his immediate superior.[/QUOTE

It's sometimes fun to shake up a general concensus. That's how we know the earth isn't flat.

[Sam Flynn]

There has been a general consensus for some time now that the letter was written by Thomas Bullen/Bulling or by his immediate superior.

Whether a general consensus exists on Bulling being the author of DB/SJ is a moot point, Bill. Personally, I find Bulling's handwriting quite dissimilar to that of Dear Boss, even allowing for some disguising of the handwriting. (I should point out that I don't see that the handwriting in DB/SJ etc. appears particularly "disguised" anyway.) I'm not the only one who doubts that Bulling wrote them either.

Whatever, whilst it might be redundant to discuss these letters in terms of the Ripper being their author, they are quite intriguing little mysteries in and of themselves.

[Billy Bulger]

Dear Boss letter is redundant

Hi guys,
I dont mean to be rude here, I'm in no position to be afterall but is there really any point in debating the Dear Boss letter(s)?
There has been a general consensus for some time now that the letter was written by Thomas Bullen/Bulling or by his immediate superior.

[Lord Buckley]

im with sam on this one. definately the same person who wrote SJ and DB.

Hi All,

The position and orientation of the PS suggests it was written whilst the letter was still folded.

Regards,

Simon

Interesting point Simon, and not surprising really. It was obviously written and then set aside. Why add the PS I wonder? Just to explain that 2 day delay from writing to posting?

Cheers Simon.

[Sam Flynn]

Everyone believes the "Saucy Jacky" postcard to have come from the same source because the handwriting is similar. I noticed they only part of "DB" that similar to the postcard is the post script.

Hi Billy,

I posted this comparison of 4 "Ripper" missives before the Casebook "crash" earlier this year:



...all sampled alphabetical characters came from the body of each document. To my mind there is no doubt that "SJ" and "DB" were written by the same hand, and I'd bet a pound to a penny that the other two were penned by the same author as well.

[BillyE]

I'm going to propose something really radical here. I sometimes do that. After years of simply taking for granted a single authorship of the "Dear Boss" letter, I recently started looking at the post script again. Everyone believes the "Saucy Jacky" postcard to have come from the same source because the handwriting is similar. I noticed they only part of "DB" that similar to the postcard is the post script. The main body of the letter is in beautiful caligraphy, while the post script is a tad sloppy, as is the post card. I don't believe the Ripper wrote either correspondence, rather they were the work of journalists, but I'm starting to think the "DB" letter may be the work of two men working together. One wrote the body of "DB" while the other wrote the post script and the post card.

I'd heard the story of how the reporter known only as "Best" claimed authorship of most of the Ripper letters. After reading Stewart's and Keith's book "Letters From Hell" I became convinced it was Tom Bulling who wrote the letter. Now that I've come to the conclusion two men wrote the letter I'm wondering if Bulling and Best were working together to author a number of the letters. This would fit into Best's story that he and a partner wrote many JtR letters. I could be wrong, as I often am, but I simply can't shake this feeling. What do you all think?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

The position and orientation of the PS suggests it was written whilst the letter was still folded.

Regards,

Simon

[Roy Corduroy]

Hi Perry,

check for hoax giveways

So it's like a lottery check that bounces?

Roy

With due respect to Simon, the more menstruation is mentioned in these threads, the greater a connection I see with the premise alleged in "Uncle Jack"...that of a man preoccupied with womens fertility in some way. Im not certain myself that extracting and taking a uterus shows us that kind of interest, and Im fairly certain slitting the throat doesnt, or slicing a face.

Its interesting to look at the known physical condition of the victims prior to their deaths and speculate whether there was any link with their "time of the month" and their murders, but I dont think other than Annie we have anyone complaining of feeling poorly or something physically symptomatic of a period onset.

The PS is most literally explained by the date of the letter itself, and the post date. But its not likely a real, legitimate excuse. So why address the discrepancy at all?

I think the author may have re-opened the letter before sending it, and was explaining the delay or posting discrepancy by claiming he had red ink on his hands.... for 2 days. The excuse is poor...but there is no doubt there is a delay in posting.

What if the suggestions were right and Bulling and another journalist wrote it.....if one wrote it and sealed it before the other could check for hoax giveways, or mistakes,... then might they open it to check? I cant believe if hoaxed there was more than one copy of it lying about someones home, so the "partner" has no idea of what the content is if sealed by the author, and the author might forget the exact phrasing he used.

Best regards.