Artizan Dwellings writing photograph

[David Orsam]

Hi Monty,

The reliability I speak of is the reliability of the source. The provenience is not known. That is a problem.

And at the same time one must consider, when there is a handwriting match as in this case, what the reason for the match is.

Pierre,

You are, bizarrely, replying to a post made by Monty on 13 November 2015 (#86) which you replied to on the very same day (#98). You said back then:

"there is no "source itself", there is only our interpretations of it."

Now you are saying that there is a source itself and you were speaking of the reliability of it.

To say I'm confused is a bit of an understatement.

[Pierre]

I assume by reliability you are referring to the connection to your suspect, not the source itself.

Monty

Hi Monty,

The reliability I speak of is the reliability of the source. The provenience is not known. That is a problem.

And at the same time one must consider, when there is a handwriting match as in this case, what the reason for the match is.

[Pierre]

The handwriting match

But right now I am most interested in the handwriting match I happened to get here.

Most of the letters look so common in their style that I canīt say that the validity of an interpretation that he wrote them would be very high. Even though they are similar.

But some letters that are written in a more unusual style are a perfect match.

Pierre

[Pierre]

Can you please clarify that?

Cheers

Monty

Yes. When you have a historical source and you want to know something about it you depend on internal and external source criticism among other things.

So the source "in itself" has nothing to say.

You could read a little about it here if you are interested:

http://www2.bc.edu/~rappleb/HistororicalResearch.html

Regards Pierre

[GUT]

Wow some strange going on here.

Bully boy (as Cristned me EnaEm)

[DJA]

After all, the Ripper probably didn't have one (a degree, I mean.)

He had more than one.

[Rosella]

Gosh, there seems to have been an awful lot of snarling going on in this and other threads lately. Must be the Christmas season coming on!

Also, the question about posters having university degrees has raised its ugly head on the forum, as well. Does it really matter whether a person has a degree or not so long as they are prepared to discuss Jack here in a sensible and cordial way? After all, the Ripper probably didn't have one (a degree, I mean.)

[Scott Nelson]

Artians Dwellings right centre.

[DJA]

Hello all,

With thanks to Stephen Ryder, our article entitled The Victims Photographs and some Wall Writing, which appeared in Ripperologist Issue 127 is now available on the Dissertations page for your reading.

http://casebook.org/dissertations/rip-wallwriting.html

With that, we leave you with THE photo of the Artizan Dwellings wall writing.

Regards

Neil & Rob

The central buildings are gone,however the North and South ones remain.

Artizan Street today is home to the Artizan Street Library.

Always wondered about these stupid spell checkers.
Dawned on me prolly the work of some demented AM.
Meh,whatever keeps 'em off the dole.

[MrBarnett]

I bet the Jones's were furious when they received that letter.

'How dare 'e call our kids annoyin'? The snooty bugger can't even spell artisans!'

[Monty]

Yes, always tells me. I did not notice you standing beside me when this has happened, yet you know better. You get more ludicrous, childish and boring by each post and I will not be replying to any more of them as I have better things to do with my time.You have, of course, made a Royal show of yourself and obviously have time on your hands to play childish games. I do not. Now, if you had shown an ounce of wit, that might have been different.

Still amused.

I can understand your retreat. Being proven wrong is not easy to take. Add on to that the embarrassment of having ones proverbial ass kicked by someone who aint done much book learning or owt, I don't blame you for running and hiding.

Monty

[David Orsam]

I say: keep 'em coming!

[MrBarnett]

I know the controversy's over, but this just had to see the light of day.

[jmenges]

I would say:

Big Rough Ripper Boys =1 / Batshit Crazy Person =0

But I stopped keeping score years ago.


JM

[David Orsam]

For anyone still interested, I checked the actual statutes. There was no relevant legislation in 1887. There was, however, an 1868 Act called 'An Act to provide better Dwellings for Artizans and Labourers'; an 1875 Act, 'The Artizans and Labourers Dwellings Improvement Act'; an 1879 Act with the same title; an 1882 Act, 'The Artizans Dwellings Act', and an 1885 Act which amended the Artizans and Labourers Dwellings Improvement Acts - images for all of which I could provide if necessary - but I restrict myself to simply posting an image from the Housing of the Working Classes Act of 1890, of which the long title was 'An Act to consolidate and amend the Acts relating to Artizans and Labourers Dwellings and the Housing of the Working Classes'.

I don't know why I bothered because the excerpt I posted yesterday from the Times newspaper of 1891 should have been sufficient to dispose of this point.