I'm not a butcher, I'm not a Yid......

[Iconoclast]

Haven't seen such a tenuous link in a while, Ike. Bravo.

You're welcome Sam.

Quite dizzy over here so far away from my natural habitat ...

Ike

[Bridewell]

James Maybrick’s family motto (purchased by him out of typical Victorian middle class vanity) reads tempus omnia revelat (‘time reveals all’, or more cryptically, ‘as time will show').

And pillars are made out of a number of materials, one of which is, of course, brick.

James Maybrick was ‘society’s pillar’, but not in the more familiar sense of doctor, clergyman, prime minister, etc.. The cryptic criminal struck again, and it has taken 130 years to decipher the clues.

As I say, I look forward to the day someone publishes more on these critical insights into the criminal mind which was Jack the Spratt McVitie.

"Up and down the goddamn town
policemen try to find me
But I ain't a chap yet to drown
In drink or Thames or sea.

I've no time to tell you how
I came to be a killer
But you should know, as time will show
That I'm society's pillar"

More indicative of Druitt (a contemporary suspect) than of Maybrick IMHO.

[Michael W Richards]

I am aware as are most on here that the following was quoted by Sir Melville Macnaghton in his memoirs, it being one of the first communications he read concerning the Ripper;


"I'm not a butcher
I'm not a Yid
Nor yet a foreign skipper
But I'm your own light-hearted friend
Yours truly
Jack the Ripper"

However I'd be interested to know the source for the 'apparent' preceding two verses that appear as follows;

"Up and down the goddamn town
policemen try to find me
But I ain't a chap yet to drown
In drink or Thames or sea.

I've no time to tell you how
I came to be a killer
But you should know, as time will show
That I'm society's pillar

Ay information welcome as I'm unable to find any pointers ;-)

These verses refer to most theories that were in circulation at the time or shortly thereafter, ..Jewish, butcher, seaman, doctor/barrister..the seaman idea being voiced by no less than HRH.

Since Druitt is referred to, and we know that theory is first created when he is finally found, all that is in those lines are previously published ideas. If he had added an occupation that was not being openly suggested, then we might have cause to look closer.

[Abby Normal]

"Up and down the goddamn town
policemen try to find me
But I ain't a chap yet to drown
In drink or Thames or sea.

I've no time to tell you how
I came to be a killer
But you should know, as time will show
That I'm society's pillar"

More indicative of Druitt (a contemporary suspect) than of Maybrick IMHO.

interesting its indicative of Druitt, MMs favored suspect and this is from him.

[Simon Wood]

Donald McCormick was a peddler of dubious facts.

In his biography of Ian Fleming, he wrote that John Dee, astrologer, occult philosopher and advisor to Queen Elizabeth I, used to sign himself 007.

It's complete nonsense, but people liked the idea, and popular ideas pass into common acceptance.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Simon,

No doubt someone will one day think these lyrics, written 80 years after the murders, sung by Mannfred Mann, will also have "originally" been based on the WM 1888... Like McCormick stuff.

(Its not, it's about a run down hostel in San Francisco).


My name is Jack, and I live in the back,
Of the Greta Garbo home
With friends I will remember, wherever I may roam

My name is Jack, I live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls

Now here's ol' Fred with his hands on his head
'Cause he thinks he's heard the bomb
And here comes Super Spade
Who really gets it on

And my name's Jack, I live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls

There is Dave with the plates he made
For the food that Diggers found
Ruth is always praying, and never makes a sound
It's lots of fun and I love to run
Up and down the stairs
I make as much noise as I want, and no one even cares!

And my name's Jack, we live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls

There's Carl over there with his funny hair
He's never sad at all
And when I grow up I want to run as fast as my friend Paul
There's the prettiest girl in the whole wide world
And her name is Melody Mend
And here comes Mom with brother Tom
Who's probably my best friend

And my name's Jack, I live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls
(We all know Jack, we live in the back
Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls)


Best regards


Phil

[Iconoclast]

Quite right Sam, I've found them in McCormick's book The Identity of Jack the Ripper.
He qualifies the final verse as being attributed to McNaughten's memoirs, however there is no reference to the source of the two other verses unfortunately ;-(

Hi Spider,

I think I'd be right in saying that the likely source of McCormick's two additional verses would have been the notes made by Dr. Thomas Dutton. All of this stuff is now denigrated by Ripperologists so we might best leave it there.

Except for one thing! If McCormick made up the two additional verses, for what purpose did he do so? Having already in his possession the more famous verse quoted by McNaughton, what purpose did making up the two extra verses serve?

Beats me!

Cheers,

Ike

[Robert]

Look at the mention of drowning in this poem, and the rhythm of the last two lines :

https://genius.com/W-h-auden-james-honeyman-annotated

[Simon Wood]

Donald McCormick's extra verses almost - and, I stress, almost - fit with the tune of Pop Goes the Weasel.