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    Then this long report on Jack Stevens fighting Tom Jefford from Sporting Life, February 11th 1888. This is definitely the same Jack Stevens who trained with Ching Ghook because of the reference to the fight with Bodger, which is the fight from the first article.
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    • #32
      I take the description "Jack Stevens, who belongs to Spitalfields and was supported by some gentleman connected with the market" to mean "Jack Stevens, property of the Lords of Spitalfields".

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      • #33
        Here's Black Jack again from Sporting Life, Friday 3rd August 1888. I note the use of the phrase "perhaps better known as Black Jack", suggesting he really is just starting to make a name for himself during 1888.

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        • #34
          I'm leaning more towards Jack Stevens who trained under Ching Ghook and Jack 'Black Jack' Stevens being the same person.

          Is it possible the reference to being Jewish in the first article is a blunder by the reporter? - he refers to Jack Stevens as Jewish twice. As "of the Hebrew race" and "the Jew boy", not a turn of phrase I'd expect to see in a newspaper these days.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by seanr View Post
            I take the description "Jack Stevens, who belongs to Spitalfields and was supported by some gentleman connected with the market" to mean "Jack Stevens, property of the Lords of Spitalfields".
            The Oylers, perhaps?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by seanr View Post
              I'm leaning more towards Jack Stevens who trained under Ching Ghook and Jack 'Black Jack' Stevens being the same person.

              Is it possible the reference to being Jewish in the first article is a blunder by the reporter? - he refers to Jack Stevens as Jewish twice. As "of the Hebrew race" and "the Jew boy", not a turn of phrase I'd expect to see in a newspaper these days.
              I’m reminded of the copper who Arthur Harding referred to as ‘Jew Boy Stevens’.

              The age of your Jack Stevens is spot on for Black Jack. I think you’re right they were the same man. So how do we square the religious discrepancy?

              His wife’s name was Collins and her brother apparently married Billy Maher’s sister, so perhaps the fact that he had an Irish catholic wife was the reason he was given a Catholic funeral. William Crossingham had one and he hadn’t been born a catholic.

              Researching his family might solve the mystery.

              Last edited by MrBarnett; 11-14-2020, 06:05 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

                The Oylers, perhaps?
                Sean, Are you familiar with the ‘Great Peter Street riot’? A gang from Spitalfields went to Westminster and attacked a rival group at the Oyler’s doss house in Great Peter Street.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

                  Sean, Are you familiar with the ‘Great Peter Street riot’? A gang from Spitalfields went to Westminster and attacked a rival group at the Oyler’s doss house in Great Peter Street.
                  https://www.jtrforums.com/showthread...ighlight=Oyler

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

                    Sean, Are you familiar with the ‘Great Peter Street riot’? A gang from Spitalfields went to Westminster and attacked a rival group at the Oyler’s doss house in Great Peter Street.
                    It wasn't familiar with this incident. Just read up on it now. Does something about Black Jack jump out as having a relation to the riot?

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                    • #40
                      The Oylers were major operators at Spitalfields Market. Financially, they were more substantial than all the ‘Lords of Spitalfields’ we’re familiar with put together.

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                      • #41
                        In Australia,the Mafia got it's foot in the door by standing over fruit growers in Queensland late 19th century.

                        Their bread and butter in Melbourne last century were the markets.

                        Until very recently,they were imposing a tax on each box of produce purchased by major supermarket chains.

                        Don't underestimate any possible additional taxes on costermonger's barrows in Spitalfields. A monopoly mainly held by one builder/supplier.
                        My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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