profiling-thinking

[Sam Flynn]

Hi Sahla,

hmm , I`ve missed this:...

Lipski?

If that was the first time you'd heard about the "Lipski" story, I'd respectfully suggest you need to brush up on the basics of the case, ideally by getting hold of a good factual Ripper book, before you go any further.

[Jeff Leahy]

hmm , I`ve missed this:

Israel Schwartz of 22 Helen Street, Backchurch Lane, stated that at this hour, turning into Berner Street from Commercial Road, and having gotten as far as the gateway where the murder was committed, he saw a man stop and speak to a woman, who was standing in the gateway. He tried to pull the woman into the street, but he turned her round and threw her down on the footway and the woman screamed three times, but not very loudly. On crossing to the opposite side of the street, he saw a second man lighting his pipe. The man who threw the woman down called out, apparently to the man on the opposite side of the road, "Lipski", and then Schwartz walked away, but finding that he was followed by the second man, he ran as far as the railway arch, but the man did not follow so far.

this also supports a double man job.
and the parcel to get rid of blood drops , a red towel and a knife (maybe 2) I think.
Except for chapman and kelly, all the victim spots are easy to trace blood of this kind of brutal mutilation.

Lipski?

Schwartz spoke little if any english...

Who can really guess from what we know, what exactly he did hear?

Clearly he made out the word 'Lipski'

But without knowing its context..it is simply meaning less..

No conclussions can be draw from this evidence.

Yours Jeff

[DVV]

Schwartz spoke little if any english...

Who can really guess from what we know, what exactly he did hear?

Clearly he made out the word 'Lipski'

But without knowing its context..it is simply meaning less..

No conclussions can be draw from this evidence.

Yours Jeff

Hi Pirate,
I agree that it may be difficult to draw a final conclusion (as usual), but the context is well known.
That was in Berner Street, on 30 sept 1888, and was shouted by a man who assaulted a prostitute named Stride.
Swanson's conclusion was to that effect, in what I would call the "first Swanson's marginalia":
"The use of 'Lipski' increases my belief that the murderer was a Jew" (His marginal note on his 19 oct. report)
On the contrary, it suggested an anti-Jewish feeling to Abberline (which does not necessarily means that the murderer was not a Jew...).
So the problem is not that we can't draw any conclusion, but that we can draw more than one.
Very interesting, in fact, especially for those who work on Kosminski...

Amitiés,
David

[ironwolf]

hi all
anti-semitism was a coman thing at the time so it is hard to use somthing like the term lipski to elemnate any groop but if you look at he area that that witness was in you see that there was a poplar jewish bar in the area

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