profiling-thinking

[sahlandilbaz]

I can tell I believe anything at this moment, just thinking.
A german rhinelander, or an Askhenazi, but the latter must had some grudge against his own people to point them with a graffiti.

If I make the Hiram story bind on these, the killer supposed to be an important character amongst masonic society , and betrayed by his own master, for his love? But why the women? Why the easiest prey? This doesnt work.

[Dan Norder]

juwes is a word that refers supposedly to jubela, jubelo, and jubelum

...but with no historical reference to indicate that it ever actually did. Those three ruffian characters are called, not surprisingly, the Three Ruffians. The first known source to refer to them as "Juwes" was specifically looking for a reason to try to blame the Masons for the Ripper crimes. No pre-existing source to document the use of that term has ever been verified. Juwes doesn't even sound logical as a nickname for three characters with no W in their names.

[Jon Guy]

[QUOTE=Dan Norder;27464 Juwes doesn't even sound logical as a nickname for three characters with no W in their names.[/QUOTE]



Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna.
Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus,
Coo coo kachoo ka coo coo kachoo
(rhythmical speaking along with juba's).
Juba juba juba, juba, juba, juba, juba, juba, juba juba. Juba juba.....(speaking)

[sahlandilbaz]

Lets say I`m a man in love with a hooker, want to merry her.
I`m an Russian Jew, with a name still reminds my past, even after if I have changed it.

she fells in love with another man,
a mason, I hate him and wanted to blame him for what I`ll do. And I`ll lead the police and even vigilance committee to him. I`ll leave them a note on a wall.
To cast a shadow of fear upon her, and to avenge, I`ll murder the friends of my lover, I`ll leave her for to be the last.

With some effort I can speak and write fluent english.
Maybe her friends are hiding her from me, and I can lure them to quite corners to chat.

Finally I`ve find her,It took a month after all those killings , but finally her heart is in my hands.

Hello, my name is morganstone, morgenstein,morgenstern. Whatever you wish to call me.

(just a thought to consider together)

-what should I to remain unrecognized until the last minute?
-a cloak I need to hide blood of my prey. (maybe gloves and a dark suit , must not be too expensive too get attention, and also must not be too cheap to scare hookers away)
-Do I enjoy killing? Or should I stop? Stop perhaps.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/8806.html

[sahlandilbaz]

The envelope found on Annie Chapman was carrying the letters, M and S ,
also mentioning Sussex Brigade,and we can think our man made his escape to avoid horse carriage stumbled upon,thus had to leave the envelope behind. I`ve tried to reach some info on this division about it`s enlisted men , but ones I can reach are all from 1920 and on , all I can find is they moved to Black Mountain Expedition in Africa around 1889.
Maybe we could get some info on Morgenstern , Morgenstein Morganstone on the lists.
The division suffered a heavy loss on Bore war , again my free sources cannot reach that time period.

[ironwolf]

hi all
if you think about it he may have been a soldier violent acts are often associated with PTSD an abusive childhood in conjunction with battle stress could cause a mental break that would explain such a group of acts and the fact that soldiers are always moving around as orders dictate it could even explain why the killings stopped in the fact that they did not stop they just changed local

ironwolf

[Sox]

The envelope found on Annie Chapman was carrying the letters, M and S ,
also mentioning Sussex Brigade,and we can think our man made his escape to avoid horse carriage stumbled upon,thus had to leave the envelope behind

Annie picked up the envelope from the mantlepiece just before leaving her Doss.

[sahlandilbaz]

and we always think one man.
we do have a double man serial killer case , with Leonard Lake and Charles Ng ,
both ex soldiers and worked as a pair.
As far as I know Lake was writing the letters and it was his idea to commit crimes for his devotion to a book , Ng was the one who executed the operation on women (never confessed).
Wouldnt it be so easy to one act as a customer, and other as knife man.
Witness testimonies are not so reliable when it comes from drunks or residents of White Chapel.
The pair may dressed in different fashion, a wealthy one and a poor one maybe;
this explains the singing of Marry Kelly too. She sung to the lure guy.
One night after the newspaper wrote about description of previous suspect, the other takes his place with an alternative appearance.
Just another possibility to think about maybe?

[DVV]

The enveloppe found on Annie Chapman has nothing to do whatever with Jack.
It simply came from the lodging house, as William Stevens tells us.

Amitiés,
DVV

[ironwolf]

hi all
while the envlope dose not seem to be much do not discount it out of hand we have no way of telling how he stalked his victims so it could hold some weight. also how do you think he planed the killings? the timing seems to be a bit of a crunch witch makes me wonder if the vicitims were random.

ironwolf

[sahlandilbaz]

why there is no bloody trail marks on the floor at scenes?
Was pills in the envelope for Annie`s lungs?
We must concentrate on Marry Kelly, she was the most important one, the one he had most time to spend with. Thus, there is so much possibility for a clue.
Why Barnett never leaves Kelly?
He again talks about a hooker named Julia, never mentioned anywhere?
What was Kelly wanted to get from man , whom she should be getting money from? What could be in the parcel? 6 pence worth.
The Sussex regiment uses Garter star , could that be the mentioned : ``A massive gold chain is in his waistcoat with a large seal with a red stone hanging from it.``


some research on Julia: (mentioning her lover at that time may has a wife born in Essex , somehow with a Germanic name)

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4926/10187.html

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/17667.html

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/castofthousands.julia-venturney.html

[joelhall]

why there is no bloody trail marks on the floor at scenes?
We must concentrate on Marry Kelly, she was the most important one, the one he had most time to spend with. Thus, there is so much possibility for a clue.
Why Barnett never leaves Kelly?
He again talks about a hooker named Julia, never mentioned anywhere?
What was Kelly wanted to get from man , whom she should be getting money from? .
The Sussex regiment uses Garter star , could that be the mentioned : ``A massive gold chain is in his waistcoat with a large seal with a red stone hanging from it.``


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im not sure i follow your reasoning with these as they are answered either in the known evidence or through common logic. as for kelly being most important, thats debatable at best.

[ironwolf]

Hi all
the problem with the marry Kelly killing is that the his ritual changed so it is harder to draw parallels between her and the other victims if you are going to try to profile the killer you have to look at the other killings first then the Kelley murder something changed that caused him to change and I think it was more then the simple fact that he had a more privet location to act out his fantcy.

ironwolf

[joelhall]

if this was of course ritual and fantasy, and not frenzied butchering. there isnt enough evidence to point to anything ritualistic.

[sahlandilbaz]

hmm , I`ve missed this:

Israel Schwartz of 22 Helen Street, Backchurch Lane, stated that at this hour, turning into Berner Street from Commercial Road, and having gotten as far as the gateway where the murder was committed, he saw a man stop and speak to a woman, who was standing in the gateway. He tried to pull the woman into the street, but he turned her round and threw her down on the footway and the woman screamed three times, but not very loudly. On crossing to the opposite side of the street, he saw a second man lighting his pipe. The man who threw the woman down called out, apparently to the man on the opposite side of the road, "Lipski", and then Schwartz walked away, but finding that he was followed by the second man, he ran as far as the railway arch, but the man did not follow so far.

this also supports a double man job.
and the parcel to get rid of blood drops , a red towel and a knife (maybe 2) I think.
Except for chapman and kelly, all the victim spots are easy to trace blood of this kind of brutal mutilation.

Lipski?