profiling-thinking

[sahlandilbaz]

-a problematic childhood, possible abuse by parents. A very strong brutal father figure is the strongest suspicion.
-A normal life is also lived by the man, the most dangerous kind, one who never catches the suspicious eye.
-middle to upper class
-a serial killer never can stop his inner surge after the first kill. I am talking based on modern killers; thus he must have been caught, killed or had some kind of an accident to stop him ; and maybe he had to move somewhere else (an army member, or government official maybe,he sent somewhere far and his actions never recorded like in London.)
-Masonic relation is can be dismissed I think, he maybe refused to join the club, or had some grudge against them, I dont know too much about London Masonic society at that day , the image of masonic society maybe somewhat mixed with jews more than these days, and writing jews on a wall may lead to them.

[adamkle]

what about dr bond's profile? as i know, it wasn't completely dismissed by modern profilers?
and we can forget about any "masonic relation", I think. it makes sense in Alan Moore's "From Hell" but not in the reality.
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[Ben]

Hi,

-A normal life is also lived by the man, the most dangerous kind, one who never catches the suspicious eye. -middle to upper class

The individual most likely to avoid the "suspicious eye" in that area and at that time was certainly not someone middle to upper class. It would have been a working class local of the order that proliferated the district.

-a serial killer never can stop his inner surge after the first kill

They can. Sometimes for long periods.

Regards,
Ben

[sahlandilbaz]

yes I agree, I think BTK killer stopped his killings for more than 10 years if I am right.
But sooner or later the urge continues from the exact point and style, all needed is a trigger event. Maybe we should be checking out 1st WW era?

[sahlandilbaz]

and I wonder about his trophies gathered from the victims. (other than internal organs)
Some killers do this and they tend to keep necklaces , purses , and other items.
In the film From Hell all the hookers of London were walking without any purses, but they seem to having very hard time finding a place to stay. Their belongings must be minimal and they must have some sort of stash somewhere if they dont carry them around.
I wonder , what is said about these items in the crime scene reports and other hookers testimonies.

The first wound to the throat shows he knows, how to kill fast; but other massive mutilations showing he went in to some kind of an frenzy state.
Makes me think must be too hard to hide a face with these mimics and bloody hands, thus he must have a ride nearby. Maybe old West Chapel maps could help us where this could have waited.

[Mitch Rowe]

and I wonder about his trophies gathered from the victims. (other than internal organs)
Some killers do this and they tend to keep necklaces , purses , and other items.
In the film From Hell all the hookers of London were walking without any purses, but they seem to having very hard time finding a place to stay. Their belongings must be minimal and they must have some sort of stash somewhere if they dont carry them around.
I wonder , what is said about these items in the crime scene reports and other hookers testimonies.

The first wound to the throat shows he knows, how to kill fast; but other massive mutilations showing he went in to some kind of an frenzy state.
Makes me think must be too hard to hide a face with these mimics and bloody hands, thus he must have a ride nearby. Maybe old West Chapel maps could help us where this could have waited.

The Women had secret purses tied to their waist to carry their belongings. They basically carried everything they owned with them.

Nowadays most people contend that Jack strangled his vicims first. Then cut the throat.

I dont think Jack would have used any other transportation than his own two feet. There is evidence to support this. Eddowes Apron. Wich is the only thing besides the organs that we know for sure jack took from the victims.
Although he probably took Chapmans two rings and his money back.

Jack is probably the perfect nobody living right there in Whitechapel. He either passed a Police interview at some time. Or avoided suspicion altogether.
I personally feel Jacks name hasnt appeared anywhere as a suspect. And I dont really think anyone ever saw him. Or at least noticed.

[Sasha]

altogether.
And I dont really think anyone ever saw him. Or at least noticed.

Yep, that's the thing about psychopaths, they look like everyone else!

[sahlandilbaz]

and about the JUWES word , the only version I can come up close to this is in german , which is JUDEN. a sudden misspelling correction maybe?

[rain]

I remember hearing rumors as a child that jtr was a man who hated prostitutes because he got syphlis from one and that is why he killed them.

[sahlandilbaz]

I also learned that French and Portugese/Spanish languages have the same typing for the first 2 letters. Juif for the french and Judio for spanish.
Maybe a simple mistake giving us the clue for the nationlity.

[joelhall]

juwes is a word that refers supposedly to jubela, jubelo, and jubelum (variants of the latin jubeo, to command), the killers of hiram abiff in masonic legend.

[sahlandilbaz]

I recall that he tells in one of his letters , ``now they call me YID`` .
He means being a Jew, but the word of choice is maybe interesting,
Yid and Yiddish language are the migrant jews common name and language amongst themselves. They are started to immigrate from Rhineland of Germany ,they called themselves as Ashkenazi , some illiterate outsider may not about this names. Makes me think about a person who speaks German and knows these people well. The name Yid used more often by the jewish authors after the WWII according to wikipedia.
A spaniard or french man seems more distant with the light of this specific word, if we accept it was authentic.

[joelhall]

also...

-Masonic relation is can be dismissed I think, he maybe refused to join the club,

why would he refuse to join?

[sahlandilbaz]

I think someone with good relations with the masonic order will never want to make them the center of attention. Thus he will never write something on a wall for them not to be blamed or in reality to be blamed?

This makes me think about the state of mind and physical situation of the man. Who can commit a murder and take the time to write on the wall. With a chalk in pocket?
First premeditated murder graffiti of the world?


Charles William Heckethorn wrote the story of Hiram about 1897 , he might have been the best source about those days contemporary version of the story.
A love story.

[joelhall]

I recall that he tells in one of his letters , ``now they call me YID`` .
He means being a Jew, but the word of choice is maybe interesting,
Yid and Yiddish language are the migrant jews common name and language amongst themselves. They are started to immigrate from Rhineland of Germany ,they called themselves as Ashkenazi , some illiterate outsider may not about this names. Makes me think about a person who speaks German and knows these people well. The name Yid used more often by the jewish authors after the WWII according to wikipedia.
A spaniard or french man seems more distant with the light of this specific word, if we accept it was authentic.

do you mean that you believe it was an ashkenazi jew who wrote the letters or not?