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  • RockySullivan
    Chief Inspector
    • Feb 2014
    • 1914

    #286
    [QUOTE=John G;343505]
    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    This calls for a great deal of speculation! I think that a bigger clue is that she was sleeping rough on the embankment- fits in nicely with my theory of a serial killer operating from a boat!
    That is very significant also. Did any of the whitehall workers take a boat to work? From what I remember about the sighting of the man with the parcel from trows book...one of the workers admitted to being at the job site on the day of the witness sighting...but he was not working and had no reason to be there. You read trows book right john...do you recall that?

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    • Debra A
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Feb 2008
      • 3504

      #287
      I've never seen so many mis-quotes in one thread! Every one of the last half dozen quotes in posts is attributed to the wrong person.

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      • John G
        Commissioner
        • Sep 2014
        • 4919

        #288
        Originally posted by Debra A View Post
        I've never seen so many mis-quotes in one thread! Every one of the last half dozen quotes in posts is attributed to the wrong person.
        I think there's a problem with the site!

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        • John G
          Commissioner
          • Sep 2014
          • 4919

          #289
          [QUOTE=RockySullivan;343508]
          Originally posted by John G View Post

          That is very significant also. Did any of the whitehall workers take a boat to work? From what I remember about the sighting of the man with the parcel from trows book...one of the workers admitted to being at the job site on the day of the witness sighting...but he was not working and had no reason to be there. You read trows book right john...do you recall that?
          Hello Rocky,

          Actually, what is interesting is that the first part of the Whitehall Torso to be found, an arm, was lying just a couple of hundred yards from where a portion of the Rainham Torso had been discovered- and this was only 3 days after Chapman's murder, although she probably died 2 months earlier. This could be significant if a killer was trying to draw attention his crime.

          Not sure about a sighting of a man with a parcel. There was a reference to three men and a barrow, but this seems to have been based on an unreliable witness statement or made up by the press: there's no police record of the incident.

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          • Debra A
            Assistant Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 3504

            #290
            Originally posted by John G View Post
            I think there's a problem with the site!
            You all need to take out the second set of quote tags manually when you hit quote to reply next time.

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            • Trevor Marriott
              Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 9463

              #291
              Originally posted by John G View Post
              I think there's a problem with the site!
              Yes there sure is

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              • Debra A
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 3504

                #292
                Originally posted by John G View Post

                Hello Rocky,

                Actually, what is interesting is that the first part of the Whitehall Torso to be found, an arm, was lying just a couple of hundred yards from where a portion of the Rainham Torso had been discovered- and this was only 3 days after Chapman's murder, although she probably died 2 months earlier. This could be significant if a killer was trying to draw attention his crime.

                Not sure about a sighting of a man with a parcel. There was a reference to three men and a barrow, but this seems to have been based on an unreliable witness statement or made up by the press: there's no police record of the incident.
                Like this

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                • Debra A
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 3504

                  #293
                  [QUOTE=John G;343512]
                  Originally posted by RockySullivan View Post

                  Hello Rocky,

                  Actually, what is interesting is that the first part of the Whitehall Torso to be found, an arm, was lying just a couple of hundred yards from where a portion of the Rainham Torso had been discovered- and this was only 3 days after Chapman's murder, although she probably died 2 months earlier. This could be significant if a killer was trying to draw attention his crime.

                  Not sure about a sighting of a man with a parcel. There was a reference to three men and a barrow, but this seems to have been based on an unreliable witness statement or made up by the press: there's no police record of the incident.
                  So you don't get this.

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                  • Debra A
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3504

                    #294
                    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                    Yes there sure is
                    It's human error.

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                    • John G
                      Commissioner
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 4919

                      #295
                      Maybe I've malfunctioned! Actually, it still doesn't seem to be working, so maybe not!

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                      • John G
                        Commissioner
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 4919

                        #296
                        Still not working!

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                        • Debra A
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 3504

                          #297
                          Originally posted by John G View Post
                          Still not working!
                          What's not working?

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                          • RockySullivan
                            Chief Inspector
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 1914

                            #298
                            [QUOTE=John G;343512]
                            Originally posted by RockySullivan View Post

                            Hello Rocky,

                            Actually, what is interesting is that the first part of the Whitehall Torso to be found, an arm, was lying just a couple of hundred yards from where a portion of the Rainham Torso had been discovered- and this was only 3 days after Chapman's murder, although she probably died 2 months earlier. This could be significant if a killer was trying to draw attention his crime.

                            Not sure about a sighting of a man with a parcel. There was a reference to three men and a barrow, but this seems to have been based on an unreliable witness statement or made up by the press: there's no police record of the incident.
                            I'll have to look through the book, but I remember one of the workers being questioned and he admitted he was on the premises when he wasn't working the same day a witness reported something suspicious. I'm unsure if it was the wheelbarrow incident or not, I will have to look into it.

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                            • Debra A
                              Assistant Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 3504

                              #299
                              Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                              The clue as to what happened to Jackson is to be found in her rear end !

                              www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                              I'm beginning to think I invented that finding all those years ago! I can't find the exact description again although several papers alluded to a rolled up piece of linen inserted in the pelvis the way a doctor at sea would do when treating a dead body. That isn't the reference I originally found.

                              Anyway, in case I didn't imagine it here are the medico legal descriptions of legal birth inducement copied by back street abortionists. Note there is no mention of abdominal surgery for abortion purposes at all.

                              If Elizabeth died as a result of abortion gone wrong I'd speculate she was poisoned and the foetus cut from the womb after death to aid dismemberment to disguise the crime by removing the organs that would retain detectable poison traces.






                              Last edited by Debra A; 06-13-2015, 03:25 PM.

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                              • Debra A
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 3504

                                #300




                                In the revised version of his book, Trevor writes that a portion of the torso was one of the first parts of the body washed up at Horselydown, that's incorrect ( the correct version is in my casebook dissertation that Trevor took some of his information from) -it was a parcel containing the uterus, placenta and umbilical cord plus the flaps of skin from the abdomen-parcelled separately from other portions of the body- for what reason?
                                Last edited by Debra A; 06-13-2015, 03:31 PM.

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