Different Killers

[Ausgirl]

I'm convinced it's 4/5, plus possibly Tabram.

And there's a few "household name" killers who don't even qualify for the "serial" tag, but get a mention in just about every list anyway because their crimes were just that gruesome, got a lot of media attention and they've stuck in the public mind ever since.

If JtR is such small potatoes, why spend your time focussing on the case?

[Errata]

Phillips stated that the only reason we didn't see the skill in evidence throughout the majority of Annies wounds was likely due to haste.

The point Lynn is making, and its the only valid point being made in the past number of posts, is that there was within the Canonical Five at least 2 women who were cut up by someone who knew how to use a knife and where he needed to use it. The first 2 victims.

Cheers

In the great argument between skill and knowledge, it's important to make a distinction.

Most of us know how to drive a car. Barring catastrophic head injury, there is nothing that is going to make us forget how to operate a car. Turn key, press brake, shift into reverse etc. That's knowledge.

Actually driving a car is a skill. Some of us are better at it than others. Probably everyone is better at it than me. We all know the same information, we apply that knowledge with varying degrees of success. But there are any number of things that affect how well we drive a car. Intoxication, exhaustion, nervousness, haste, inattention, dropping a lit cigarette in your lap...
Skill by it's very nature is dependent on a lot of factors. Kick out any one of those dependent conditions and you go from being a great driver to wrapping your Audi around a tree.

Skill varies with different conditions. Knowledge never varies.

[Rosella]

We don't know, and are never likely to, about this killer's mental and physical condition during the autumn of 1888. What if he had a pre-existing illness which took a sudden turn for the worse in the September or October? Did he take any sort of opium-based drugs? If Jack was a heavy drinker and had imbibed more than usual on the night of the double event for example, that would certainly affect his 'work'.

[c.d.]

And have the people presuming that Liz Strides murder evidence fits with the unsolved murders that preceded her, without any post-mortem mutilations or even a second cut, considered that the Unsolved murders file does not end with Mary Kelly?

Cheers

Hello Michael,

Why was a second cut needed with respect to Liz? Wasn't the first one sufficient? What was foremost on the mind of her killer, to kill her or to be consistent?

c.d.

[Batman]

Im still waiting on examples of lust killers copying each others MO in the way described by the multi hypothesis.

[RockySullivan]

Im still waiting on examples of lust killers copying each others MO in the way described by the multi hypothesis.

How many killers can you name who removed the uterus from victims? How many serial killers operating the within the same time, same town, similar victimology who removed the uterus from their victims in 1888? One

[lynn cates]

nur Eins.

Hello CD.

"Why was a second cut needed with respect to Liz?"

Umm? There was ONLY one.

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

How many killers can you name who removed the uterus from victims? How many serial killers operating the within the same time, same town, similar victimology who removed the uterus from their victims in 1888? One

And exactly how many women within the Canonical Group had their uterus taken? 1 and a 3/4 uterus from Kate.

Cheers

[Michael W Richards]

Im still waiting on examples of lust killers copying each others MO in the way described by the multi hypothesis.

First off you need to provide evidence that the Ripper murders were "lust" murders, then you can compare them with other known culprits.

I have seen in the last few years in Toronto alone people copying what was done to previous victims, to be specific, cutting up the body to dispose of it. Were these done to replicate the earlier murder in that fashion, or were they done that way because within everyone is the capacity for unusual cruelty?

That's the key here....its not that they were duplicating the murders, its that there were men that had within them the same capacity for cruelty and self preservation that the Ripper had.

Cheers

[Michael W Richards]

There are no monsters, there is within the human kind a capacity for monstrous acts...within all of us. The trigger is what differentiates the acts.

That should be considered before you place Jack on some kind of pedestal for abominable acts.

Cheers

[RockySullivan]

And exactly how many women within the Canonical Group had their uterus taken? 1 and a 3/4 uterus from Kate.

Cheers

Even if the ripper had only taken one uterus it seems a bit too strange that torso was doing the same

[Michael W Richards]

Even if the ripper had only taken one uterus it seems a bit too strange that torso was doing the same

Torso killer dismembered his victims and decapitated them. My guess is that was to remove the identities of the victim as best he could and to dispose of the bodies easier...dead people are awkward to move about as a whole.

Cheers

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"Why was a second cut needed with respect to Liz?"

Umm? There was ONLY one.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

The point I was making (and apparently not too well) was that one cut was sufficient to kill her which was the whole point of the cut as opposed to cutting her twice simply to match the previous murders.

c.d.

[RockySullivan]

Torso killer dismembered his victims and decapitated them. My guess is that was to remove the identities of the victim as best he could and to dispose of the bodies easier...dead people are awkward to move about as a whole.

Cheers

Right and I'm pretty sure he removed the uterus from two torsos.

[Ausgirl]

First off you need to provide evidence that the Ripper murders were "lust" murders, then you can compare them with other known culprits.

I have seen in the last few years in Toronto alone people copying what was done to previous victims, to be specific, cutting up the body to dispose of it. Were these done to replicate the earlier murder in that fashion, or were they done that way because within everyone is the capacity for unusual cruelty?

That's the key here....its not that they were duplicating the murders, its that there were men that had within them the same capacity for cruelty and self preservation that the Ripper had.

Cheers

How's cutting up a dead body "cruel"? It's not like the victim's going to feel it. Unless they weren't dead, and there's ways to discern that. Or evidence of torture and the like. Otherwise, the likelihood is it's a purely functional act.

So let's go with functional. Neither cruel, nor particularly unusual. We just had a floating dismemberment down the road a bit from me a couple of weeks ago. I highly doubt people dismember bodies to 'replicate' rather than simply wanting to eradicate a pesky body and evade detection.

It's extremely ordinary - an unusual thing would be a bunch of bodies showing up in one localised area, in a short period of time, perhaps displaying similarities in cutting technique or in some other regard. THAT is what might point toward one person being responsible for the majority, if not all, of the bodies in that instance

Much like the Ripper. And his penchant for mutilating the bodies of swiftly-murdered "unfortunates".