Councidences

[Scott Nelson]

Of course, if Jews DID use Mccarthy's shop (and it wasn't just used by gentiles) then it could imply that Jews used his shop around the time Kelly was slain.

They undoubtedly did out of habit. There was a predominantly Jewish population in Millers Court in the years prior to the 1880s.

[Debra A]

Ah, yes, thank you. I was thinking only of the pawn ticket which was 'Jane' or 'Ann', IIRC, and depending on the paper reporting.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

And in the height of Fenian fever and discussions about Irish involvement a few years ago I posted a newspaper reporting on the pawn ticket with the address given as 6 Dorset Street suggesting that the police should look at 6 Dorset Street, Dublin, as opposed to Spitalfields ,and guess what. .When I looked at the 1891 census at 6 Dorset Street, Dublin there was actually a family named Kelly! [Where does all this stuff disappear to?!

[Debra A]

This actually goes full circle Lewis.

Yes, Catherine Eddowes did go by the name Mary Kelly, but Mary Kelly had (we are told) previously been known as Mary Davis, and the next death, that of Rose Mylett, whose first name was Catherine, had also been known as Catherine Davis.

And Catherine Mylett, who also went by the name Kate Davis (as in the 1881 census at Mile End), had a mother whose maiden name was Kelly.

[Tom_Wescott]

And in the height of Fenian fever and discussions about Irish involvement a few years ago I posted a newspaper reporting on the pawn ticket with the address given as 6 Dorset Street suggesting that the police should look at 6 Dorset Street, Dublin, as opposed to Spitalfields ,and guess what. .When I looked at the 1891 census at 6 Dorset Street, Dublin there was actually a family named Kelly! [Where does all this stuff disappear to?!

It's still there on the forums. I know because I ran across it recently. Hadn't someone written to the papers at the time suggesting Dublin?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Debra A]

It's still there on the forums. I know because I ran across it recently. Hadn't someone written to the papers at the time suggesting Dublin?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Yes, that's right Tom. Discussion about Eddowes possible Fenian involvement was a hot topic of discussion at that time so it was probably much more of an interesting coincidence back then than it is now!

[The Rookie Detective]

Yes, that's right Tom. Discussion about Eddowes possible Fenian involvement was a hot topic of discussion at that time so it was probably much more of an interesting coincidence back then than it is now!

It's perhaps another coincidence in that Eddowes gave the name "Mary Kelly" (an Irish name) and a possible involvement with the Fenians (Catholics) was discussed at the time after the potential Dorset St in Dublin connection, and then Eddowes ends up being murdered in Mitre Square, a Mitre a headress worn by Catholic Bishops (and Lutherans I believe?)
And then the coincidence continues when an actual Irish Catholic woman (Welsh?!) going by the faux name of "Mary Kelly" is then murdered just off of Dorset Street in London, inside a room run by a local Irish man (mobster?) named Mccarthy, who then pays towards her having a Catholic funeral and being buried in a Catholic cemetery.

It could be argued that IF MJK was the target, then was Eddowes murder a matter of mistaken identity?

If the murders had any political angle and motivation, then could the murders seemingly have stopped after the target MJK was finally found and dispatched?

The coincidences between Eddowes and Kelly are there to be seen.


Fascinating indeed.

[caz]

Stride's killer separated her forever from one, Michael Kidney; Eddowes's killer also separated her forever from one kidney.

That was an offal night.

Do I win £5?

Love,

Caz
X

[John Wheat]

Stride's killer separated her forever from one, Michael Kidney; Eddowes's killer also separated her forever from one kidney.

That was an offal night.

Do I win £5?

Love,

Caz
X

Not funny and in quite poor taste.

[Abby Normal]

Ive also been struck by the coincidence of the gsg blaming jews and hutch blaming jews.

[Fiver]

Not funny and in quite poor taste.

The Ripper disagreed, saying it tasted "very nise".

[John Wheat]

The Ripper disagreed, saying it tasted "very nise".

I get the reference but this kind of post gives people like Rubenhold ammunition. You know people were murdered in a horrific manner.

[caz]

Not funny and in quite poor taste.

Lighten up, John. It wasn't meant to offend anyone. We used to share a fair bit of gallows humour around here, but everyone gets so angry these days.

Love,

Caz
X

[Doctored Whatsit]

Before Kelly moved to Miller's Court owned by John McCarthy she had lived at Breezer's Hill, with John and Mary Ann McCarthy - no relation!

[John Wheat]

Lighten up, John. It wasn't meant to offend anyone. We used to share a fair bit of gallows humour around here, but everyone gets so angry these days.

Love,

Caz
X

Fair point Caz. I just think we should be more mindful that people were murdered horrorifically is all.

[The Rookie Detective]

Before Kelly moved to Miller's Court owned by John McCarthy she had lived at Breezer's Hill, with John and Mary Ann McCarthy - no relation!

I have always believed that the John and Mary Mccarthy that are listed at 1 Breezers Hill in 1891, are the same couple listed at 27 Dorset Street in 1891.

That would mean that the 1891 anomaly of the duplicate John Mccarthy (that Scott champions are 2 different McCarthys) was actually living in Breezers Hill instead.

That then links MJK to both addresses.

Whoever submitted the door to door data to the person who went to Dorset St and took the names down for the census, was perhaps giving us a clue.

I also believe that John and Mary Mccarthy of Breezers Hill may have been MJK's real relatives.

That would make MJK a Mccarthy.

A woman who was somehow permitted to run up a debt at Millers Court without any form of reproach.

Jack Mccarthy the kingpin of Dorset Street also being related to MJK

That also links old Jack to Breezers Hill by proxy and perhaps explains how MJK ended up in Millers Court in the first place.

I do like to think outside the box


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