Only in the Rippersphere

[Tom_Wescott]

How many victims according to Dave Clark?

He pitches his tent in the Ben Folds and Jackson camp. I refuse to debate with any of them.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

The only person who really knows the true number is long dead, everyone else can only offer an opinion, that will never change.

[Fiver]

Hi Paul. The phrase is obnoxious because it's misleading and it's bad history. Macnaghten believed there were five victims and Fido believed it as well, therefore it's fact? I don't think so. I would suggest attributing that number to its primary source - Macnaghten, i.e. the Macnaghten Five. Adding Tabram you'd have the Anderson Six. The Arnold Four, Percy Clark Three, Reid Ten, Hawley Eighty-four, etc.

And I believe the Dew Seven. Plus many of the police did not say how many victims there were, IIRC, that includes Abberline, Littlechild, Monro, Swanson, Smith. And then there were the opinions of the doctors. Thomas Bond went with the C5 + Mackenzie. I'm not sure about the others.

[Geddy2112]

And I believe the Dew Seven. Plus many of the police did not say how many victims there were, IIRC, that includes Abberline, Littlechild, Monro, Swanson, Smith. And then there were the opinions of the doctors. Thomas Bond went with the C5 + Mackenzie. I'm not sure about the others.

...and the Holmgren and Stow 457

[Sam Flynn]

...and the Holmgren and Stow 457

Just as well the Ripper wasn't active in Pennsylvania, or they'd have pinned all 65000 on him

[PaulB]

Hi Paul. The phrase is obnoxious because it's misleading and it's bad history. Macnaghten believed there were five victims and Fido believed it as well, therefore it's fact? I don't think so. I would suggest attributing that number to its primary source - Macnaghten, i.e. the Macnaghten Five. Adding Tabram you'd have the Anderson Six. The Arnold Four, Percy Clark Three, Reid Ten, Hawley Eighty-four, etc. If there was a similar debate over the Holmes works authored by Doyle, I'm not aware of it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I don't know that Martin believed there were only the Macnaghten five victims. He searched for and suggested some other might-have-been victims. But from 1888 until the 1960s or later, in most writings about the Ripper those five were almost exclusively discussed in any detail. Martin was simply casting around for shorthand to distinguish those five from other possibilities. It became accepted.

[Paddy Goose]

cachous

[Fiver]

And I believe the Dew Seven. Plus many of the police did not say how many victims there were, IIRC, that includes Abberline, Littlechild, Monro, Swanson, Smith. And then there were the opinions of the doctors. Thomas Bond went with the C5 + Mackenzie. I'm not sure about the others.

Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown believed that at least one, probably two Ripper murders were committed after the death of Druitt. I'm not sure if the Brown Nine were the same as the Reid Nine.

[Geddy2112]

cachous

Yeah that's a good one for sure...