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  • Debra A
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    Originally posted by Belloc View Post

    Thanks, Debra.

    The earliest known appearance of Albert Charrington’s name in a newspaper was found by R. J. Palmer in 2019. He posted it in the Albert Bachert aka Albert Charrington thread on the JTR Forums website. You may recall it, Debra, since you made major contributions to the same thread.
    Yes, thanks Belloc. I recall the previous discussions but what I was referring to was the fact that your snippet mentions Albert Charrington the leader of the Skeleton Army was an engraver by trade, which Albert Backert certainly was known to have been, a bank note engraver. I hadn't seen that in previous mentions of Charrington/Bachert and the Skeleton Army. As Jerry mentions, there was speculation that the man named Charatan at Albert Backert's Newnham Street address could have been the man known as 'General Charrington' but the mention of engraving seems to point to Backert for sure.

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by Belloc View Post

    Whereupon another excellent researcher found a link between tenant Frederick Charatan and the creator of a top-line brand of briar pipes.

    Charatan - Pipedia
    Agreed. Gary is an exceptional researcher.

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  • Belloc
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    RJ speculated about a man named Frederick Charaton (sp)from a Census report, that lived at the same address on Newnham Street as Albert Bachert.
    Whereupon another excellent researcher found a link between tenant Frederick Charatan and the creator of a top-line brand of briar pipes.

    Charatan - Pipedia

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by Belloc View Post

    Thanks, Debra.

    The earliest known appearance of Albert Charrington’s name in a newspaper was found by R. J. Palmer in 2019. He posted it in the Albert Bachert aka Albert Charrington thread on the JTR Forums website. You may recall it, Debra, since you made major contributions to the same thread.
    RJ speculated about a man named Frederick Charaton (sp)from a Census report, that lived at the same address on Newnham Street as Albert Bachert.

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  • Belloc
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    Originally posted by Debra A View Post
    Nice find, Belloc! I don't recall seeing this one before in previous discussions of Bachert as Charrington.
    Thanks, Debra.

    The earliest known appearance of Albert Charrington’s name in a newspaper was found by R. J. Palmer in 2019. He posted it in the Albert Bachert aka Albert Charrington thread on the JTR Forums website. You may recall it, Debra, since you made major contributions to the same thread.

    The East London Observer, 16 April 1881, page 7

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    From this, it appears that, in 1881, Albert attacked a member of the Salvation Army.

    Eighteen months later, another assault occurs, but this time Albert is the victim and it seems he’s now a member of the Salvation Army.

    Lloyd’s Weekly Newspaper, 19 November 1882, page 6

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    Albert’s membership of the Sally Ann seems to be confirmed by another report.

    The Daily News, 5 December 1882, page 7

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    There was a man who was a British subject through foreign parentage, describing himself as a single Engraver of the same age boarding with a family in Wales in 1911

    His name was "Roland Joe"

    However, that was a false name as Roland Joe never appeared elsewhere.

    The name "Roland" in German means...

    "Famous across the land"


    Was this Albert Bachert?

    And was this his message to highlight that it was HE who was famous across the land?

    Was this a subtle message from the actual Ripper himself?

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    RD

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    It would appear he adopted the surname for his Skeleton Army work after the popularity of Spencer Charrington.

    It's astonishing how many times Bachert was able to reinvent himself.

    He was a Salvationist...
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    ​​​​...and then headed an organisation set up specifically to oppose and disrupt the Salvationists


    He resented being called a "German" and insisted on being called "English"...despite his parents both being German.

    He resented his father being described as a Jew...despite his parents having Ashkenazic German Jewish heritage.

    He despised the Socialists and Radicals and opposed the Liberals...and thought of himself as a staunch Conservative Englishman...despite him being only first generation English as his parents were both born in Germany.

    He publicly declared being the head of the Vigilance Committee after succeeding Lusk, despite there being no evidence of such an action, partly due to the original Whitechapel Vigilance Committee having already been disbanded...Bachert essentially declaring to be head of a. Organisation that no longer existed in an official capacity.

    He claimed to have been approached by a man in the pub on the day of the double event; a man who inquired about local women and then went to join an older woman outside selling matches....ultimately giving himself an alibi that was never corroborated.


    ​​​​​​He wrote scores of letters and correspondences to the press in connection with the ongoing Ripper murders at the time; involving himself at every turn, and even claimed to have apprehended the Ripper at one stage.

    He tried to get himself onto the panel at the inquest to the murder of Frances Coles in a seemingly desperate bid to be in the spotlight; thankfully his attempts were thwarted.

    He was a man who knew how to play all sides and adapted and evolved like a chameleon in order to feed his narcissistic thirst and desire to prove his self worth...and in the process exhibited traits associated with the Psychopathy spectrum.

    He was publicly ridiculed in the press by a man who saw through his act...and a woman by the name of Nichols was subsequently slaughtered in Bucks Row just yards from the man's residence at the Bucks Row coal depot.

    His public declaration of dislike for the Socialists and for being associated with the Jews; by being labelled as one, would suggest that he would not have been a fan of the Berner St club outside which Stride was murdered.


    He was claimed to have been the recipient of several correspondences from the Ripper himself, although there being no apparent reason why the Ripper would have chosen Bachert as a target.


    After his inevitable conviction in 1893 he relocates to Bristol...

    But...in 1901 he his residing with his sister back in London...


    And then he seems to just disappear


    Fascinating

    A fantasist and person of interest at the very least



    ​​​RD
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  • Debra A
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    Nice find, Belloc! I don't recall seeing this one before in previous discussions of Bachert as Charrington.

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  • Belloc
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    The Pall Mall Gazette, 10 February 1883, pages 2 and 3

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  • Belloc
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    On February 8th, 1886, several rival demonstrations, supposedly in support of unemployed workers, took place in Trafalgar Square. The situation soon became chaotic, with crowds of demonstrators heading into the West End of London and ransacking businesses. One of the demonstrations was organized by an anti-Socialist group, during the course of which a pro-Conservative resolution was proposed.

    The Daily Chronicle, 9 February 1886, page 5

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    Amongst the reaction to the report was this, from The Daily Chronicle, 11 February 1886, page 6:

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    Alfred Charrington A.K.A. Albert Bachert...


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    Based on the excellent work of others (not my work) regarding Bachert's reasoning for using the Alias Charrington, it appears he nicked the name from the well-known Charrington brothers Spencer and Frederick.


    RD

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post


    And let's not forget the alleged Ripper correspondence sent to Bachert, with the Skeleton Army insignia (Skull and Crossbones)



    RD

    Just an important CORRECTION I need to make...


    I wrongly stated that Bachert RECEIVED the correspondence with the Skeleton Army insignia, but he didn't as it was in truth, sent to the police. (thankyou to Bern Icia over on Forums for correcting my blatant error)

    I would like to amend my comment by stating that there's a chance Bachert MAY have written the correspondence instead of receiving it.


    RD

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    Here is a bit more context...

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    This occurred in 1885, but it shows a pattern.


    It indicates that before his proven Ripper fanaticism and WVC infamy, he was involved with the militant Skeleton Army, which was essentially created as a direct opposition to the Salvation Army, as well as the socialist and liberal movements.

    It was the modern-day equivalent of a right-wing militant group.

    But it grew in popularity over time with the lower middle-class workers who were angered by the influx of foreign labourers.

    But in reality, the high echelons of the Skeleton party were run and funded by wealthy businessmen and Publicans with an invested interest in alcohol, money, gambling, entertainment, and any vice that made money.

    At a street level, it was full of young men with a chip on their shoulder and a point to prove. For one, they didn't like the Salvationists with their religious doctrine that promoted not drinking alcohol and the closing of pubs.

    The Skeleton Army was a well-funded and relatively organized machine run by the middle classes, who used the anger of the "English" working-class man to do their dirty work on the streets.


    The question is...how involved was Bachert?


    On paper at least, he was one of the top dogs in Whitechapel... but then he also claimed to be the post-Lusk head of the already dissolved WVC.


    With so much fantasy and BS surrounding Bachert, it's a question of how much was BS and how much was reality?




    RD

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  • The Rookie Detective
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    For those of you not on Forums...


    Here is Bachert's poor attempt at a subsequent denial...

    But not before a certain Louis Lyons has his say...


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    Politically motivated rhetoric and propaganda


    It's a good job that there were no Ripper victims outside a Jewish Radical/Socialist club... oh, hold on.

    And let's not forget the alleged Ripper correspondence sent to Bachert, with the Skeleton Army insignia (Skull and Crossbones)


    Coincidences Coincidences...


    For a more detailed look a this, the legendary Jerry has an excellent thread over on forums.

    Grab a brew, take a seat, and get the popcorn ready...



    RD
    Last edited by The Rookie Detective; 04-04-2024, 09:03 AM.

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  • The Rookie Detective
    started a topic Bachert to the future

    Bachert to the future

    Well, it's that time again...


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    This guy... honestly



    RD
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