Jack the Ripper case breakthrough; the when and how

[pinkmoon]

G'Day Pink [Dont mind me giving the trade name]

I agree totally, they were totally embarrassed, they let him slip. I would be disappointed if the reports of his uteri collection didn't raise red flags.

Hi gut,it explains why there is nothing in our newspapers about him unlike the American newspapers.p.s have you read Stewart p Evans book "the lodger" he puts a very powerfully case for tumblety being our killer.

[GUT]

G'Day Pink [Dont mind me giving the trade name]

I agree totally, they were totally embarrassed, they let him slip. I would be disappointed if the reports of his uteri collection didn't raise red flags.

[pinkmoon]

G'Day Pinkmoon

I'll have to go looking for names but I have in various writings seen references to a number of people being arrested but not charged. I seem to recall some claims that Tumblety was at one point arrested on suspicion of being dear old Jacky and when they couldn't make it stick at the time, he was charged with the indecent assault.

Hi gut,I think tumbelty was an embarrassment to the police because he was in their custody and bailed so he was followed up quite discreetly.Mr tumbelty was reported to have a collection of organs including wombs now if he wasn't a proper doctor where was he getting his organs from?Could the police have thought this after all Chapman,and eddowes had there wombs removed and Nichols killer was properly disturbed before he could remove any organs from her.

[GUT]

G'Day all

The doctrines of autrefois acquit and autrefois convict persisted as part of the common law from the time of the Norman conquest of England; they were regarded as essential elements of protection of the liberty of the subject and respect for due process of law in that there should be finality of proceedings.

This is why prosecutions weren't bought until there was thought to be enough evidence to sustain a conviction.

Basically autrefois acquit means I have already been acquitted for this charge.

[GUT]

G'Day Pinkmoon

I'll have to go looking for names but I have in various writings seen references to a number of people being arrested but not charged. I seem to recall some claims that Tumblety was at one point arrested on suspicion of being dear old Jacky and when they couldn't make it stick at the time, he was charged with the indecent assault.

[pinkmoon]

But there are two problems, every one that they did arrest they had to let go for lack of evidence. It seems to me [opinion only] that there were planty of suspects just not enough evidence to send him to the high jump.

Hi gut,I don't personally think they had any real suspects at all the ones that have been written about were just looked at out of desperation by the police.

[GUT]

One of the problems for us 125 years later [again opinion] is that they had too many suspects and funnily enough, over the intervening years rather than whittling those down we have added to them with [what I regard as] totally ridiculous suggestions.

[GUT]

But there are two problems, every one that they did arrest they had to let go for lack of evidence. It seems to me [opinion only] that there were planty of suspects just not enough evidence to send him to the high jump.

[pinkmoon]

G'Day again Pinkmoon

But they arrested plenty of people on suspicion, just had to let them go.

They also needed enough evidence to convince a jury, just like today they really didn't want to bring a prosecution that was doomed to failure, because they couldn't recharge him, they had to get it right the first time.

Hi gut,surely if they had such a suspect who was arrested all the police men who put pen to paper years later would agree upon a single name.

[GUT]

G'Day again Pinkmoon

But they arrested plenty of people on suspicion, just had to let them go.

They also needed enough evidence to convince a jury, just like today they really didn't want to bring a prosecution that was doomed to failure, because they couldn't recharge him, they had to get it right the first time.

[pinkmoon]

G'Day Pinkmoon



With so much material missing, don't think I can agree with that one.

Hi gut,like I said if they had anything at all on anybody I think someone would have been arrested and charged.For example kosminski picked up a knife to one of his family after the murders so as he lived in the east end he might be the ripper I think the police were just desperate fair play on them that they didn't fit some innocent person up just to save face.

[GUT]

I think the police were that desperate that any suspect was better than no suspect.

However here we are in agreement.

[GUT]

G'Day Pinkmoon

If the police had any real evidence about anyone we would know.

With so much material missing, don't think I can agree with that one.

[pinkmoon]

If the police had any real evidence about anyone we would know.I think the police were that desperate that any suspect was better than no suspect.It looks almost certain that most of the so called suspects were guilty of one thing only and that was been mentally ill.A family might have a story passed down via a long dead relative that might well be the truth I personally believe that the best witnesses in this whole case were the ones who never came forward.The only glimmer of hope I think might be something like the knife that Donald rumbelow owns that might possible one day yield a d.n.a profile very unlikely and besides if this case was ever solved we would all have to go out and find a new hobby!

[GUT]

G'Day Tom

though clearly not a 'pat answer' since the police as a whole could not agree on who their favorite suspect was

Just proves "The more things change the more they stay the same!!