Crime Waves

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Which brings up my next point. Have you read Chris Scott's "Will the Real Mary Kelly . . ."? He discusses some of these points.

Cheers.
LC

Not yet Lynn just read Rumbelows the complete JTR and going through it again but I will look to CS work many thank for that ,kind of gone a bit off topic havent we!

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Lynn,

I don't think I would assign a "signature" based on such a small amount of occurrences. I think it is much more accurate to say that the cuts didn't match the ones done previously.

c.d.

The "signature" referred to here cd was present in both of the first 2 murders, as was the "signature" of abdominal mutilation. The term is applicable here because we have comparative events to assess.

Cheers

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

I thought you knew the answer as well as I?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

I don't think I would assign a "signature" based on such a small amount of occurrences. I think it is much more accurate to say that the cuts didn't match the ones done previously.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

answer

Hello CD. Thanks.

I thought you knew the answer as well as I?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

"mjk"

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Which brings up my next point. Have you read Chris Scott's "Will the Real Mary Kelly . . ."? He discusses some of these points.

Cheers.
LC

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Yes, I know what you mean.

Of course, if there is only one killer and he means to take body parts, it is odd that he left them when he did "MJK."

Cheers.
LC

Ha good point! I can only offer a weak counter that with MJK he was fully gratified by his work, but if that was his master piece then a lack of a keepsake is out of character, I guess the thing about the heart being missing is untrue? but then there are other things also like the missing key and whos clothes are in the fire? the apparent heat given off is odd and then we have Mrs Maxwell statement.

[c.d.]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

I would offer the absence of the signature parallel deep neck cuts.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

And that "signature" is based on how many killings?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

parts

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Yes, I know what you mean.

Of course, if there is only one killer and he means to take body parts, it is odd that he left them when he did "MJK."

Cheers.
LC

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Of course, their uteri were removed in different ways. And, with Kate, her uterus was part of the overall hack and mangle job, but the kidney seems to have been a bit less messy. Make of that what you will.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn, As for the uteri being removed in a differing fashion, I guess if I was putting forth my theorem of it being one man I could only say that the intention is consistent even if the method is not ,but I can offer nothing stronger to enforce my idear but the kidney removal my add a little to my thinking in that I see J seeking butchery and covetable things from these women, and in the case of the kidney something edible as I dont think uteri make good eating or what ever he intendid to do with it, but with that idear in mind I think the Lusk letter has influence my thinking ,but then how genuing is that letter and the kidney half?...... And so on it go's one stumbling block to the next!

[lynn cates]

hack and mangle

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Of course, their uteri were removed in different ways. And, with Kate, her uterus was part of the overall hack and mangle job, but the kidney seems to have been a bit less messy. Make of that what you will.

Cheers.
LC

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Well, the removal of the uterus seems an obvious move. Of course, the kidney seems redundant.

And the kidney removal would have taken a great deal of time, relatively speaking.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn I think for me this is when the multi killers theory starts to become a slim option to take the uterus in poor light and then the kidney too, more rather than less by feel alone, that surely shows more than likely a practiced hand and one we have seen at work already, what are the chances that a copy killer had a similar abillity? and why go to the such a level to make it look like the ripper? It just feels like the same hand at work.

[lynn cates]

kidney

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

Well, the removal of the uterus seems an obvious move. Of course, the kidney seems redundant.

And the kidney removal would have taken a great deal of time, relatively speaking.

Cheers.
LC

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

I would offer the absence of the signature parallel deep neck cuts.

Cheers.
LC

Thats a fair point ,But why go so far as to copy the organ removal? A heavly slashed neck and a ripped up body would seem convincing enough, the organ removal just surggests a fulfillment of a darker need ,Im just thinking more like the hand of mr J here, but hard to be utterly conclusive about any of it though!

[lynn cates]

no signature

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

I would offer the absence of the signature parallel deep neck cuts.

Cheers.
LC

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

Hello PCFT. Thanks.

The latter. And yes, observation that night could have revealed the beat. Of course, he would need to be observant and know which landmark comes when and in what order.

Cheers.
LC

Very intresting Lynn what is the single most poignant piece of evidence that makes you discount Eddowes?