JTR compared to JFK

[spyglass]

Hi all,
I have been revisiting the JFK story over the weekend and concentrating on all the conspiracy, cover-up storys.
To me, it smells of cover-up and right from the top down.
Yet it is no where near or likely to be solved to everyones satisfaction.
JFK was 50 yrs ago...JTR 125 yrs ago, and yet when you compare the two cases, If we cant get to the truth of JFK, then what chance of geting to the truth of JTR.
Just consider how many files,witness statements, film , tv footage and photos available, and compare to whats available with JTR.

Just a thought!

[The Good Michael]

Hi all,
I have been revisiting the JFK story over the weekend and concentrating on all the conspiracy, cover-up storys.
To me, it smells of cover-up and right from the top down.
Yet it is no where near or likely to be solved to everyones satisfaction.
JFK was 50 yrs ago...JTR 125 yrs ago, and yet when you compare the two cases, If we cant get to the truth of JFK, then what chance of geting to the truth of JTR.
Just consider how many files,witness statements, film , tv footage and photos available, and compare to whats available with JTR.

I think we got to the truth of JFK.

Mike

[spyglass]

Hi Mike,
I think not.
But let me put it another way, If the JTR case had all the witness accounts, reports , film footage ect. and as with the JFK case , still 50.000 unseen files...would we be closer to mfinding the answer to who JTR was?

[Tom_Wescott]

JFK was a world leader...THE world leader...like any world leader there were hundreds of people and groups who would benefit would his death. Hence the hundreds of theories. Not so with the destitute East End prostitutes. Not sure these cases can be compared.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Barnaby]

I read the thread title and thought it was going to be a comparison of the Monroe MJK murder scenes. Oh well.

[Damaso Marte]

JFK and JTR are very similar in this respect: many people continue to believe in complex conspiracy when the evidence points to a lone maniac.

[The Good Michael]

Hi Mike,
I think not.
But let me put it another way, If the JTR case had all the witness accounts, reports , film footage ect. and as with the JFK case , still 50.000 unseen files...would we be closer to mfinding the answer to who JTR was?

Are you kidding? All it would have taken is one camera in a pub or one in the court that evening and we would have the guy.

Mike

[Lechmere]

Three letters
The first letter is J.
Both attract ridiculous theories where 'enthusiasts' muse on the possibility of conspiracy.

[pinkmoon]

It was easy for jack the ripper to find a knife it was easy as well for a loon like Oswald to buy a gun or should I say to easy

[Mayerling]

November plays an important role in the truth/legends of both the serial killer and the assassinated leader (the last of the generally accepted JTR killings is that of Mary Jane Kelly on Nov. 8-9, 1888; the assassination of JFK is on November 22, 1963, followed by the deaths of officer Tippett on the same day, and of the allegedly lone assassin Lee Harvey Oswald two days after).
Also both killings have spawned a huge number of investigative books.

But there are a whole slew (no pun intended) of similar cases that never die. Lincoln's Assassination, the kidnap-murder of Charles Lindbergh Jr., the death of Marilyn Monroe (mentioned earlier) are just three. Next year is the anniversary of the start of World War I, and already a number of books are discussing that - I know of about four studies on the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand that have been published. Like the R.M.S. Titanic sinking some stories just are so big the interest never flags.

I don't think everything has come out about that day in Dallas in 1963, but I still to support that Oswald acted alone.

Jeff

[I'veBeenToMitreSquare]

Not to get sidetracked but to say "Oswald acted alone" is both wrong and just plain stupid.
READ THE FACTS people. Lee never killed anyone. Blame the CIA. The only fact that matters is, it was the CIA that did it.

[moonbegger]

My money is on the tragically accidental third bullet theory .. irrespective of Oswald's part , and who was involved in the original plan .. truth is , there is much evidence ( ignored by the Warren report ) that the final head shot came from the car following the lead car , albeit accidently as the driver accelerated , Agent Hicky ,whilst stood up and holding on to an automatic AR15 fell back, unfortunately unleashing a bullet or two .. one of which exploded on impact with Kennedys head , and the other hitting the fence on the grassy knol ( hence the illusion of a puff of gun smoke from the grassy knol ) .. Huge F***k up and embarrassment for all involved , hence the following cover up . Case Solved

Mortal Error ... Great book .

moonbegger

[Richard E. Nixon]

It's been proven as much as it can that Oswald acted alone. There isn't a shred of credible evidence that there was a conspiracy. The amount of people who would have had to be involved make a conspiracy impossible. And if some powerful group wanted Kennedy gone there was no need to kill him. They could have simply released the details of his health and private behavior and he would have been gone.

[Tom_Wescott]

I made a comparison yesterday at the other site.

With JFK you have the Warren Commission arguing for a lone nut and the public screaming conspiracy. With JtR you have Commissioner Warren arguing for a conspiracy and the public screaming for a lone nut.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Abby Normal]

I had always leaned toward some sort of conspiracy (2nd shooter) but a couple of things have me now favoring oswald acting alone. First, the general walker shooting shows that oswald was more than capable and inclined to plan and carry out an asassination attempt. And secondly the fact that he got his job in the depository well before anyone knew JFK would be driving right by!

sometimes the Devil just gets lucky.

That being said alot of very powerful people/orgs HATED kennedy and wanted him gone, and some would say for justified reaons. so maybe in the cae of JFK (and perhaps the whole Kenndey clan), It was the Devil collecting his due (AKA Karma, what goes around, comes around, etc).

Personally i think JFK was a good president and a great man, but also a greatly flawed man. Might have caught up to him.