What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[lynn cates]

quid pro quo

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"So you think it is more likely that some random guy, purely out of the goodness of his heart decided to buy her alcohol?"

Most certainly not. What of a quid pro quo?

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

Hello (again) Ally.

"Long saw Chapman wide-awake and soliciting at around 5:30. . ."

Long, I think, saw Chapman around 5.15. She may well have been (I think WAS) asked for something. She thought sex; she said yes.

Maybe not STRICTLY soliciting? But I think a transaction--of some sort--was occurring.

Cheers.
LC

According to Long's testimony she saw her at 5:30 and was certain of the time as the clock chimed as she rounded the corner. Regardless, she clearly saw her soliciting prior to her death which means she was no doubt soliciting when she encountered her murderer.

From her inquest testimony:

Mrs. Elizabeth Long said: I live in Church-row, Whitechapel, and my husband, James Long, is a cart minder. On Saturday, Sept. 8, about half past five o'clock in the morning, I was passing down Hanbury-street, from home, on my way to Spitalfields Market. I knew the time, because I heard the brewer's clock strike half-past five just before I got to the street. I passed 29, Hanbury-street.

"Maybe not strictly soliciting"? What was she being asked for, a breath mint??

[Colin Roberts]

Very well. I think she had tried and failed early in the game.

Would she have said "no," however, to someone whom she thought were asking?

Probably not, Lynn!

And I would think that neither Stride nor Eddowes would have said "no", in similar circumstances.

It isn't always the seller that makes the approach.

[Ally]

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"More than likely, prostitution."

Fresh out of gaol?

Why not? She had no money, she needed money. Why would "fresh out of jail" deter her? I could, if you like, link you to three different stories of criminals who were picked up committing crimes after having just been released from prison for serious time, much less a couple hours in the drunk tank.

". . . however, she somehow earned enough to get drunk between leaving Kelly and being arrested. . . "

Not necessarily. Could have been bought for her.

...

Indeed. But under what circumstances would one give another money? Many, perhaps?

Cheers.
LC

So you think it is more likely that some random guy, purely out of the goodness of his heart decided to buy her alcohol? Purely altruism operating there?

[lynn cates]

solicitation

Hello (again) Ally.

"Long saw Chapman wide-awake and soliciting at around 5:30. . ."

Long, I think, saw Chapman around 5.15. She may well have been (I think WAS) asked for something. She thought sex; she said yes.

Maybe not STRICTLY soliciting? But I think a transaction--of some sort--was occurring.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

fair exchange

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"More than likely, prostitution."

Fresh out of gaol?

"And yes, I realize there is less evidence of her prostitution than the other victims. . ."

I appreciate that.

". . . however, she somehow earned enough to get drunk between leaving Kelly and being arrested. . . "

Not necessarily. Could have been bought for her.

". . .and I imagine most guys weren't in the habit of handing out money to women for no apparent reason."

Indeed. But under what circumstances would one give another money? Many, perhaps?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Yes.

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Very well. I think she had tried and failed early in the game.

Would she have said "no," however, to someone whom she thought were asking? (In other words, "Will you?" could have been understood as a come on?)

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

A reasonable assumption, Lynn, which of course amounts to a belief that Chapman was not soliciting when she encountered her murderer.

How is that a reasonable assumption? Long saw Chapman wide-awake and soliciting at around 5:30, and her body was discovered a half hour later. So how is it a reasonable assumption that she was sleeping and not soliciting when she meets her murderer?

[Ally]

More than likely, prostitution. And yes, I realize there is less evidence of her prostitution than the other victims, however, she somehow earned enough to get drunk between leaving Kelly and being arrested, and I imagine most guys weren't in the habit of handing out money to women for no apparent reason.

[Colin Roberts]

Annie likely threw up the sponge earlier and went to sleep in the passage at #29.

A reasonable assumption, Lynn, which of course amounts to a belief that Chapman was not soliciting when she encountered her murderer.

[lynn cates]

earnings

Hello Ally. Thanks.

"she bought her own, with money she had earned."

Charring perhaps?

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

There could have been several chaps who bought the drinks. As in she met a couple of gents, earned her coin and bought her own drinks.

So to answer your question, who bought her drinks, she bought her own, with money she had earned.

[lynn cates]

meeting

Hello Ally. Thanks.

Fair enough. I think she was meeting the chap who bought the drinks. I realise, of course, that this is speculative.

Cheers.
LC

[Ally]

Dialogue implies both parties answer. For instance, I asked you what precisely you think she was doing. I am still not sure what exactly it is you think she was doing. You don't think she was prostituting, and you don't think she was returning home.

So what do you think she was doing??

[lynn cates]

excelsior

Hello Jon. Thanks.

"Do you mean one cut going up from the waistband?"

I refer to the one which went upwards around the sternum.

Cheers.
LC