Why Didn’t They Catch Him?

[DJA]

Perhaps the Matthews and Abberline were more interested in ensuring he was not captured.

Look at what happened with the Cleveland Street Scandal the next year.

[Varqm]

It was 1 to 2 odds he was a visitor. The murders came a day before or end of the month to the 9th
,covering around 10 days of an average 30 day month. He did\could not come solely at his own will and choose any day,
he was somewhat on a fixed schedule. He probably lived\worked in the area before and knew the lay of the land.

[Trevor Marriott]

It was 1 to 2 odds he was a visitor. The murders came a day before or end of the month to the 9th
,covering around 10 days of an average 30 day month. He did\could not come solely at his own will and choose any day,
he was somewhat on a fixed schedule. He probably lived\worked in the area before and knew the lay of the land.

Or he came onboard a merchant vessel which travelled on a regular route to London?

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Or he came onboard a merchant vessel which travelled on a regular route to London?

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Have anyone in mind Trevor?

[Varqm]

Or he came onboard a merchant vessel which travelled on a regular route to London?

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Yes. At the very least we agree he was a visitor. There were lots of regular ships\trains going to London regularly. I know you believe he was a sailor, but me as a passenger.
He did not have to deal with doss houses and nosy people. For one as soon as he hit a street near the Spitalfields market on the early morning of the murder he was just another buyer\merchant.

On a different topic let me ask you Trevor, if JTR was caught in 1888 and he was Jewish would there have been a riot in the East End, maybe a mini-pogrom in England?

[Trevor Marriott]

Have anyone in mind Trevor?

Well funny you should say that because the ships crew lists which were found show he was here when Frances Coles was murdered and on the same ship that was shown to be here when the others were murdered

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[Trevor Marriott]

Yes. At the very least we agree he was a visitor. There were lots of regular ships\trains going to London regularly. I know you believe he was a sailor, but me as a passenger.
He did not have to deal with doss houses and nosy people. For one as soon as he hit a street near the Spitalfields market on the early morning of the murder he was just another buyer\merchant.

On a different topic let me ask you Trevor, if JTR was caught in 1888 and he was Jewish would there have been a riot in the East End, maybe a mini-pogrom in England?

I doubt that, I am sure the Jewish people were just as apalled by the killings as all the other ethnic groups and dont forget the jews made up the greater population in the East End in 1888.

Jewish criminals were constantly arrested and imprisioned for crimes without uprisings againt the jewish community

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[mpriestnall]

I don't agree with the inference that Jack wasn't caught. I believe he was arrested and let go post the double event.

The police treatment of Packer, the non-appearance of Schwartz at Stride's inquest, the release of the Dear Boss letters to provide a misleading narrative are all consistent with the start of a police cover up. IMHO.

[erobitha]

I doubt that, I am sure the Jewish people were just as apalled by the killings as all the other ethnic groups and dont forget the jews made up the greater population in the East End in 1888.

Jewish criminals were constantly arrested and imprisioned for crimes without uprisings againt the jewish community

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We rarely agree on something Trev, but today we do.

I believe the Jewish population was an obvious one to demonise. Most of the recent activism taking place on the streets were led by socialists and grand ideas of worker's rights. Many of these people pushing for reforms were from Eastern European Jewish extraction. Bloody Sunday in November 1887, under Charles Warren's watch, left a bitter taste of resentment towards these people from the police and establishment.

Focusing on a Jewish killer kept any notions of a peasants' revolt in London well under control. I ultimately believe that the Jewish community were equally appalled at these crimes as any other community were.

I believe Charles Warren's excuse for wiping out the GSG (by his hand) was because he was worried about a riot. Yet, the GSG was printed in full in the newspapers over the following days.

Not one riot took place.

[Aethelwulf]

I don't agree with the inference that Jack wasn't caught. I believe he was arrested and let go post the double event.

The police treatment of Packer, the non-appearance of Schwartz at Stride's inquest, the release of the Dear Boss letters to provide a misleading narrative are all consistent with the start of a police cover up. IMHO.

Surely this belongs on the 'most ridiculous' thread!

[Darryl Kenyon]

I believe the Jewish population was an obvious one to demonise. Most of the recent activism taking place on the streets were led by socialists and grand ideas of worker's rights. Many of these people pushing for reforms were from Eastern European Jewish extraction. Bloody Sunday in November 1887, under Charles Warren's watch, left a bitter taste of resentment towards these people from the police and establishment.

Focusing on a Jewish killer kept any notions of a peasants' revolt in London well under control. I ultimately believe that the Jewish community were equally appalled at these crimes as any other community were.

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So the police took their eye off the ball by just hoping the killer was Jewish ?

[mpriestnall]

Surely this belongs on the 'most ridiculous' thread!

Maybe so...

[Varqm]

I doubt that, I am sure the Jewish people were just as apalled by the killings as all the other ethnic groups and dont forget the jews made up the greater population in the East End in 1888.

Jewish criminals were constantly arrested and imprisioned for crimes without uprisings againt the jewish community

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We'll all people were appalled and the kind of murders were new and barbaric.

But with those Jewish criminals, was there a anti-semitic sentiments like in the Chapmans murder or Warren,with aid from a police report,
worried that the GSG will cause a riot.Or even MP's concerned\curious about the use of the word Lipski with it's Jewish connotation.

This was a different crime wave.

[erobitha]

So the police took their eye off the ball by just hoping the killer was Jewish ?

Certainly those higher up seemed to want to focus on the killer being Jewish. That filters down to the type of investigations that are then undertaken.

If officers are constantly being fed the narrative that the killer is most likely Jewish, then that is where you would naturally focus your attention.

Aside from Macnaghten’s memo later in 1894 mentioning MJD, it seems up until that point the focus was very much on the Jewish community.

[Scott Nelson]

What if there were convincing circumstances that pointed to the Ripper being Jewish?