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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Aethelwulf View Post

    Great answer, but doubt the slides still exist. On the subject of from hell, is there a copy of the envelope/address anywhere - I've never seen it? For the possibly linked Openshaw letter, the spelling and handwriting is awful in the letter, yet the address on the envelope is neater with difficult words (for someone who can only spell draw as dror) such as pathological and curator spelled correctly. I wondered if the same applies to from hell - address neater and correct spellings to make sure it reaches its destination, then main text disguised with awful spelling/handwriting.
    Oh, I have no doubts that the slides are long gone, just a wishful thinking type thing. I don't think the original letter still exists, just a facsimile. If the envelope or a facsimile of it exists it would be in "Letters From Hell". Don't have my copy at hand to check at the moment. I don't recall seeing it though.

    - Jeff

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  • DJA
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    Not going to happen,as Prosector found out.

    However the body could be identified by cut marks to her bones and missing upper front teeth.

    As we found with Somerton Man,there are excellent DNA data bases.

    Confident this is her and her family ....... thanks to Paddy ......

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  • Elamarna
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    Originally posted by Losmandris View Post
    I know it is never going to happen and would probably be an impossible challenge if it did but exhuming the body of MJK would be fascinating. Question? If her body was located and a DNA sample taken how likely would it be her identity would be discovered?
    Let's assume one could obtain verified DNA from MJK, identifying her from that is I respectfully suggest unrealistic.

    What it would do would be to dismiss the various claims some make of a connection to her.

    Steve

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  • Elamarna
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    I don't doubt that for a moment.

    Pleasure talking to you Steve,as always.
    Yes, reasoned debated is always assured with you Dave.
    We might not agree, but your theory is at least fully formed. Unlike so many we see.

    Steve

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  • DJA
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    I don't doubt that for a moment.

    Pleasure talking to you Steve,as always.

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  • Losmandris
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    I know it is never going to happen and would probably be an impossible challenge if it did but exhuming the body of MJK would be fascinating. Question? If her body was located and a DNA sample taken how likely would it be her identity would be discovered?

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  • Elamarna
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    A law, does not mean obtaining organs was impossible Dave.
    Having worked in a modern medical school, some of the stories I could recount.

    Steve

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  • Aethelwulf
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    Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post
    In terms of new research, a dream find would be Dr. Openshaw's old slides, with one labelled "kidney, Eddowes?", with the specimen still under glass.

    A quick DNA sample to determine if human, then a comparison with Eddowes's descendants, and the status of the "From Hell" letter could be established.

    Sigh. Since I'm dreaming, I want a pony too.

    - Jeff
    Great answer, but doubt the slides still exist. On the subject of from hell, is there a copy of the envelope/address anywhere - I've never seen it? For the possibly linked Openshaw letter, the spelling and handwriting is awful in the letter, yet the address on the envelope is neater with difficult words (for someone who can only spell draw as dror) such as pathological and curator spelled correctly. I wondered if the same applies to from hell - address neater and correct spellings to make sure it reaches its destination, then main text disguised with awful spelling/handwriting.

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  • DJA
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    Openshaw had taken over Sutton's duties as Curator of the Pathology Museum in 1887,thus becoming his Boss in that aspect ......

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  • JeffHamm
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    In terms of new research, a dream find would be Dr. Openshaw's old slides, with one labelled "kidney, Eddowes?", with the specimen still under glass.

    A quick DNA sample to determine if human, then a comparison with Eddowes's descendants, and the status of the "From Hell" letter could be established.

    Sigh. Since I'm dreaming, I want a pony too.

    - Jeff

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  • DJA
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    Anatomy Act 1832 - Wikipedia

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  • Elamarna
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    Understand your view of Smith,however this is a bit different.
    I simply don't consider getting a human kidney in 1888, was as difficult as you suggest

    Steve

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Elamarna View Post

    That you are convinced the kidney was that of Eddowes is clear, and a view held by many. Many others however, consider it a hoax.
    I personally would not take Smith's writing as proof of anything.

    Steve
    Understand your view of Smith,however this is a bit different.

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  • DJA
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    Meh. Any minute now

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  • Elamarna
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Crikey,hope that wasn't the Batsignal for Trev to appear
    Hope not too.

    Steve

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