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[Kattrup]

What would you like to know other than what I have supplied over the years?

Ever wonder why Nichols moved in next door to Eddowes who then went hopping?
After Nichols being murdered near the London Hospital,Eddowes returned seeking a reward.
Next thing she is also dead,having told the cops her name was Mary Ann Kelly.

What problem do you have with " Natural History of Rheumatic Fever"?

Any kind of evidence would be nice.Any contemporary document supporting your notion that Sutton was gay, Sutton was the inspiration for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, the C5 knew each other, MJK was Mary Ann Kelly, that BS Man was Simon Morgenstern etc.

No, I don't wonder about those things because there's no reason to. There's nothing to indicate that the women knew each other, or that the events you mention were connected at all. I'm hoping you will show me a reason - that is, something more than just a fanciful theory.

Hmm, their ages are off and Catherine C. had just given birth, but her condition is not mentioned?

[Aethelwulf]

What would you like to know other than what I have supplied over the years?

Ever wonder why Nichols moved in next door to Eddowes who then went hopping?
After Nichols being murdered near the London Hospital,Eddowes returned seeking a reward.
Next thing she is also dead,having told the cops her name was Mary Ann Kelly.

What problem do you have with " Natural History of Rheumatic Fever"?

This is basically the same as Ike seeing letters on Kelly's wall and body.

[DJA]

Yes, of course. And when asked for any sources to this, it's the same reply: "Wait for the book!". Or, in your case, the movie. Why not show what you have while we wait, besides the article about rheumatic fever which doesn't even have the right info about the victims?

What would you like to know other than what I have supplied over the years?

Ever wonder why Nichols moved in next door to Eddowes who then went hopping?
After Nichols being murdered near the London Hospital,Eddowes returned seeking a reward.
Next thing she is also dead,having told the cops her name was Mary Ann Kelly.

What problem do you have with " Natural History of Rheumatic Fever"?

[Aethelwulf]

Yes, of course. And when asked for any sources to this, it's the same reply: "Wait for the book!". Or, in your case, the movie. Why not show what you have while we wait, besides the article about rheumatic fever which doesn't even have the right info about the victims?

mpriestnall and DJA have between them the two most laughably ridiculous theories I've seen on here. Total fantasy.

[Kattrup]

Mary ANN Kelly was 29 years of age when murdered,having been baptized at St Leonard's,Shoreditch.Same place her corpse was sent to.

Her murderer was the Vestry medical officer.

Same guy that treated Nichols and Eddowes as inpatient's with rheumatic fever in the London Hospital from December 1867.

Yes, of course. And when asked for any sources to this, it's the same reply: "Wait for the book!". Or, in your case, the movie. Why not show what you have while we wait, besides the article about rheumatic fever which doesn't even have the right info about the victims?

[DJA]

Since there's nothing to indicate that MJK knew her killer, it stands to reason that knowing her identity will not be any help in finding JtR.

Mary ANN Kelly was 29 years of age when murdered,having been baptized at St Leonard's,Shoreditch.Same place her corpse was sent to.

Her murderer was the Vestry medical officer.

Same guy that treated Nichols and Eddowes as inpatient's with rheumatic fever in the London Hospital from December 1867.

[Kattrup]

Kattrup, on what do you base your confidence that MJK won't help find JTR?

I assume you don't either of their identities so other than bias on your part, how can you possibly make this claim with any confidence at all?

Since there's nothing to indicate that MJK knew her killer, it stands to reason that knowing her identity will not be any help in finding JtR.

[mpriestnall]

Hi Aethelwulf

So I’m confident we’ll eventually find MJK, I’m equally confident she won’t help us find JtR

Kattrup, on what do you base your confidence that MJK won't help find JTR?

I assume you don't either of their identities so other than bias on your part, how can you possibly make this claim with any confidence at all?

[mpriestnall]

Oh, so it isn't actually an "ascertained fact" like you claimed. It's just a pet theory. That's fine.

Some people might wonder how the sentence "This is my personal theory" gets twisted into "This is ascertained fact", but perhaps one day you'll show some of the foundations for your theory and we can discuss it.

I think I'll save anything of substance for my book thanks.

[Kattrup]

I found Astrakhan first in 2016. After a couple of days I found JTR by searching around the former. I should have found Kelly then but I overlooked her and didn't find her until sometime in 2020.

I have extensively researched Astrakhan, JTR and Kelly.

regards,

Martyn

Oh, so it isn't actually an "ascertained fact" like you claimed. It's just a pet theory. That's fine.

Some people might wonder how the sentence "This is my personal theory" gets twisted into "This is ascertained fact", but perhaps one day you'll show some of the foundations for your theory and we can discuss it.

[Aethelwulf]

I found Astrakhan first in 2016. After a couple of days I found JTR by searching around the former. I should have found Kelly then but I overlooked her and didn't find her until sometime in 2020.

I have extensively researched Astrakhan, JTR and Kelly.

regards,

Martyn

You need to show some evidence, not just trot out the old 'wait for the book'. As it stands, your theory sounds like a cosy bedfellow for Trev's sanitary towel.

[mpriestnall]

Hmm, ascertained how? MJK is linked to JtR - being one of his victims - and to Astrakhan man - they were seen together. But how has it been ascertained that Astrakhan man is linked to JtR?


Would you kindly explain how the linkage is an ascertained fact?

I found Astrakhan first in 2016. After a couple of days I found JTR by searching around the former. I should have found Kelly then but I overlooked her and didn't find her until sometime in 2020.

I have extensively researched Astrakhan, JTR and Kelly.

regards,

Martyn

[Kattrup]

MJK is linked to Astrakhan who is in turn linked to JTR. This is ascertained fact.

Hmm, ascertained how? MJK is linked to JtR - being one of his victims - and to Astrakhan man - they were seen together. But how has it been ascertained that Astrakhan man is linked to JtR?


Would you kindly explain how the linkage is an ascertained fact?

[mpriestnall]

Hi Aethelwulf

I think there’s lots of material out there that can be unearthed and that will contribute to our knowledge about the case in its societal context.

I do not think that any more central files will be located that will drastically change how we understand the events. The central police reports have been preserve and published.

Most people here are online investigators, using data from sources as they come online. But there’s a heap of material that will not be digitized any time in the near future. So one needs to get to an actual archive and start digging. That often means having to be in London.
But there are opportunities locally, I believe - one could start with one’s local archive, check out what kind of records local police have from that time or what the papers wrote about the case. Perhaps some witnesses have a connection to one’s local area and so info about their background could be researched.
I’m situated in Denmark, so I’ve a habit of researching any Danish connections, others elsewhere could do the same.
It was often reported I believe that the police would send reports of the murders to foreign police forces when a murder occurred that might be similar to a ripper murder. If that is true (I consider it unlikely), those reports would still reside in German, French, Dutch archives etc and could potentially reveal important details.
Similarly for local British archives; letters from london about various suspects would have been sent to local law enforcement.

Such material will not digitized soon, so going in person (or paying someone to go in person) is the only way.
So I’m confident we’ll eventually find MJK, I’m equally confident she won’t help us find JtR

MJK is linked to Astrakhan who is in turn linked to JTR. This is ascertained fact.

[MrBarnett]

This is the man who allowed a ‘woman of the town’ to steal his candles in Wolverhampton. He was living under Henry Tomkins’s roof in Manchester in 1881.

It’s an example of what I think of as the casual cruelty of the knacker’s yard.