A Theory -The access to Mary Kelly

[Cogidubnus]

Alternatively, like Lynn, he could favour an Irish connection, (which isn't that outlandish, as some press reports suggest post-mortem murder site visits by members of the Irish Constabulary)...

All the best

Dave

[Bridewell]

Hi Michael,

I'm guessing you favour Barnett in that scenario? It's a possibility. I just think the most likely explanation for MJK (assuming it was her) crying "Oh murder" - on the night of her murder - is that she was in the process of being murdered.

I'm not trying to be difficult - it just seems the more likely explanation.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

If Blotchy wanted her dead, why would he not just do the job himself if he had the knife? I don't deny it's possible but I don't see why there's a need for this added complication.

Hi BW,

Because Blotchy's role is that of her protector that evening. He makes sure no-one talks to her about anything he doesnt want talked about. Keeps men from approaching her, steers her away from others if she gets free with her words. Once she is hammered she is vulnerable.

He makes sure she is sleeping peacefully and drunk, then leaves. Hes just a hired thug, the cutting is left up to someone who ordered or wanted her dead. Someone she would let into her room even when sleeping off a bender.

Cheers BW

[Michael W Richards]

Heres your re-enactment: ...

At approximately 3:45 a man knocks on Mary Kellys door softly, perhaps also whispering her name. Diddles the cat hears this upstairs. Mary Kelly wakes from her drunken sleep and goes to the door and opens it to what seems like a shadow in blinding light to her. She utters "oh-murder" in recognition as the figure moves closer, and in doing so, blocks some of the light from the gas lamp. She leaves the door and heads back to the bed, leaving the door ajar for the visitor. He closes the door behind him. He doesnt touch the latch, yet.

She has crawled back into bed, and slipped over to the right side, on her right side, facing the partition wall. She easily slips back into a semi sleep while the man removes his coat and gloves perhaps, but she is secure in her belief that he will be joining her in bed shortly. She drifts back off, sheet up to her face. The man has moved to the bed, and is on the left side of it, one knee on the bed. When he is sure she is asleep he moves across using that knee on the bed, he places a knife at the farthest point he can reach....with his left hand......and he presses the knife inward and pulls it back across her throat, which was still partially covered with the sheet. She awakes immediately but has a severed windpipe and she is bleeding profusely from the severance of the arteries. Her hands flail up to the mans face, he slashes them back and then slashes at her shaking face, at times under the sheet...pinning her midsection by sitting astride her now. She weakens very quickly, and as she does he, backhanded, runs the knife from the left of her throat to the right side applying great pressure. The assurance cut. He dismounts. Rolls up his sleeves. Places his knife on the night table, he then turns and moves Mary to the middle of the bed and splays her legs.

Then, as if recalling some recently read gruesome gothic literature, he commences to cut and slice, and extract and place, and peel, and strip, and likely stab, and snap bone, .....and he places bits and pieces here and there.

Her heart he keeps. He's a monster, but a sentimental one. He was fond of her. Places her arm back over her body, tilts her face so she can see him out the door, and he looks at her as he sets the latch off and walks out into the courtyard. Mary Ann Cox hears his boots.

(Scene).

Cheers all

[Bridewell]

Blotchy Conspiracy

Unless.......heres a twist idea for ya....what if Blotchy let himself out as she dozed off after singing...she wouldnt be shy about being half undressed in front of any man client or not..and he left the knife on the table when he let himself out.

Tells the killer where to find it.

Hi Michael,

If Blotchy wanted her dead, why would he not just do the job himself if he had the knife? I don't deny it's possible but I don't see why there's a need for this added complication.

[Michael W Richards]

Hey folks,

Once again its important to use the facts when making any suppositions, and the facts are that Mary Kelly is never accused by anyone, nor does she admit herself, to taking ANY clients into her room in Millers Court. It would have been impossible with Barnett living there, its clear by his story that if she solicited at all it was "on the streets", just like MS Cox, that leaves 8 nights as possible brothel nights. You can then rule out until the 3rd, because thats when Maria moved out. We also have the night, that same week, when she is seen out with Daniel Barnett. Unless he's a client, she's not soliciting. Then we have this last night, when all we can say with any support in the accepted and believable evidence is that she was last seen, alive and drunk, arriving home, before midnight, with a Blotchy faced companion. How she got drunk when Barnett gave her no money that day...similar to how Kate got drunk without money her last day..is as yet unanswerable, but for its for certain that we do not have any evidence that Mary was even soliciting regularly at all...she was in arrears to the tune of a few weeks rent, she evidently didnt use money Barnett gave her for that debt, my suspicion is that she lived on what he gave her and gratefully accepted some drinks from a casual friend on occasion.

You would think that its a given that she went out again soliciting when reading some of these posts, ... ignoring the preceding facts and the fact that she has the room to stay in despite any arrears and therefore there was no need to solicit when its raining... for her.

As Lynn said, if we have a killer that was granted access to the room ...which is something Ive suggested ad infinitum here, ...then he had the knife on him when he entered the room.

Unless.......heres a twist idea for ya....what if Blotchy let himself out as she dozed off after singing...she wouldnt be shy about being half undressed in front of any man client or not..and he left the knife on the table when he let himself out.

Tells the killer where to find it.

Cheers

[GregBaron]

Why the satchel, senor?

I think I see what Lynn is getting at here.

He probably kept the knife in his coat pocket concealed, whether he took the coat off or not, until he was ready to use it.

Yeah, it seems Lynn is wondering how the knife remains hidden until strike time (while disrobing). I think we all agree he/she had a knife, unless of course it was an American Werewolf in London..

Some appear to think he had a bona fide arsenal of culinary tools and if he did, I guess the parcel or bag comes into play. I would imagine a mysterious parcel wouldn't be a welcome acoutrement during the reign of terror...

I think the conditions of the room suggest a middle of the night stalker more than a benign client but I know I'm in the minority...


Greg

[Bridewell]

I think I see what Lynn is getting at here.

He probably kept the knife in his coat pocket concealed, whether he took the coat off or not, until he was ready to use it.

Seems eminently plausible to me.

[Abby Normal]

I think I see what Lynn is getting at here.

He probably kept the knife in his coat pocket concealed, whether he took the coat off or not, until he was ready to use it.

[Wickerman]

Hi Lynn.

Well simply, what would be the point of her bringing any client back to her room, if they both are not going to use the bed?
Even if he was shy she is the one offering a service not him, so he can strip down to his birthday suit if it pleases him, or, only take his boots off.

Trust me, prostitutes meet the weirdest people, just ask one.

I don't see why you would think he remained fully clothes, nor why it would matter if he did.
In short, what is the relevance of the question?

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

alternative

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Well, what is the alternative?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

I just cannot imagine a Victorian undressing whilst some bloke is standing there in full dress with a knife under his coat.

Lynn, what makes you think he was?

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

reenactment

Hello Jon. Thanks. Actually, I would like a reenactment. It might dispel some erroneous ideas.

I just cannot imagine a Victorian undressing whilst some bloke is standing there in full dress with a knife under his coat.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Do you suppose the bag would have given "MJK" pause?

At any rate, now he has undressed and she is in chemise. Does he try to strangle her? Does he excuse himself and go for the bag? Would she not scream as he approached, knife in hand?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.

I'm not clear on what it is you are having difficulty with. We can't possibly know what took place. So can I ask, why do you appear to need a step-by-step on how to kill the one you are alone with?

Would we save any time if you laid out what it is, specifically, that you want to hear.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

sequence

Hello Jon. Thanks.

Do you suppose the bag would have given "MJK" pause?

At any rate, now he has undressed and she is in chemise. Does he try to strangle her? Does he excuse himself and go for the bag? Would she not scream as he approached, knife in hand?

Cheers.
LC