A Theory -The access to Mary Kelly

[Garry Wroe]

Thats the first time Ive heard that, whats the source for that Gary?

I don't recall the newspaper(s) which carried the story in the fullest detail, Mike, but the Evening News of 17 November stated that the Blotchy lookalike was a respectable citizen. Elsewhere it was stated quite categorically that he was an undercover policeman. From this it seems likely that the police officer to whom Galloway reported his suspicions recognized his colleague and attempted to placate Galloway in order to preserve the undercover man's anonymity, possibly even the integrity of an ongoing police operation.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Mike

If it were akin to the old "Bottle and Jug" takeout, still very occasionally encountered as recently (in my experience) as the late 70s/early 80s, then (unless you were a specially favoured regular) you'd pay a deposit on the beer container, returnable next time you visited...

So yes, he'd take the container away, but not necessarily return it that night...I suppose it'd depend on how much the deposit was, and how Blotchy was for funds...all of which might depend on the value of the container and hence it's nature...

Incidentally the local pubs were reportedly questioned on the subject with negative results...anyone know more about this?

I simply can't believe that there were no local pubs or beerhouses operating "takeaway" or "outdoors" - and if they did, how could they reasonably account for who took what, returned what and when?

All the best

Dave

[Michael W Richards]

Hi all,

I would think that the item used by Blotchy to carry his beer was likely the property of the bar, so be it a tankard of ale,..which I believe Cox referred to, an actual pail, or a large metal container, it likely belonged to the bar and would have to be returned by the patron. Which makes me think Blotchy made at least 1 trip back to the same pub after taking Mary home. Maybe not that same night, but who knows.

Cheers

[Michael W Richards]

As subsequent newspaper reports revealed, Mike, the Blotchy lookalike was an undercover policeman.

Hi Gary,

Thats the first time Ive heard that, whats the source for that Gary?

Cheers mate

[Bridewell]

Witness Statement

Thankyou Colin, yes.

Why do you think the Coroner described the container as a "can", he never saw it.

Mrs Cox did see it, she described it as a "pot".

Who is most likely to be right?

Regards, Jon S.
P.S. I used to have a pewter beer mug when I was a teenager, that could be either a "can" or a "pot".

Hi Jon,

I wasn't talking about what the coroner said, but to answer your question, the person most likely to be right is Mrs Cox who in her witness statement, taken by the police on the day of the murder , referred to the man as carrying "a quart can of beer". I too had a pewter tankard but I've never heard anyone refer to such an item as a 'can'.

[lynn cates]

villain

Hello Greg. Thanks.

It was, "Ah! You villain."

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

How minute can we go...

Im going to start a thread on how many Tumbletys can dance on the head of a pin

I would suggest that for every 100 dancing Tumblety's we would have 114 Feigenbaum's, 107 Isenschmidt's and 102 Druitt's...

Hello Abby, Greg. If you'll forgive the observation, it is sometimes PRECISELY the minutiae that breaks the case.

Q: What was the phrase overheard at Phoenix Park (falsely attributed to Sir Freddy) which linked Joe Brady to the attempted murder of Dennis Field and an eventual break in the former case?

Hi Lynn,

I don't know the answer but I'd guess that it illustrates your point. And yes, I agree that minutia can break the case.

The particular minutia that we are talking about here concerns Blotchy's beer container. Obviously, it was never found, so assuming the sighting was accurate, he must have taken it with him. Why? Well, he either had more beer which probably means he wasn't in the room very long or he knew it might be used as evidence. The latter is obviously the more intriguing suggestion...

Feel free to further minimize the discussion....



Greg

[Sally]

Or a Bobby Pin?

Maybe not...

[Abby Normal]

What type of 'pin' would that be, a hat pin, a hair pin, push-pin, or a bowling pin?



Regards, Jon S.

HAHA!! Now thats funny. Good one wick and I appreciate your sense of humor!

[Wickerman]

Im going to start a thread on how many Tumbletys can dance on the head of a pin

What type of 'pin' would that be, a hat pin, a hair pin, push-pin, or a bowling pin?



Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

minutiae

Hello Abby, Greg. If you'll forgive the observation, it is sometimes PRECISELY the minutiae that breaks the case.

Q: What was the phrase overheard at Phoenix Park (falsely attributed to Sir Freddy) which linked Joe Brady to the attempted murder of Dennis Field and an eventual break in the former case?

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

The whole point of Casebook is meaningless minutia Abby. C'mon now...




Greg

Im going to start a thread on how many Tumbletys can dance on the head of a pin

[GregBaron]

Life is meaningless...

Why do you focus on such meaningless minutia sometimes Wick?

The whole point of Casebook is meaningless minutia Abby. C'mon now...




Greg

[Abby Normal]

Thankyou Colin, yes.

Why do you think the Coroner described the container as a "can", he never saw it.

Mrs Cox did see it, she described it as a "pot".

Who is most likely to be right?

Regards, Jon S.
P.S. I used to have a pewter beer mug when I was a teenager, that could be either a "can" or a "pot".

It could also be a parrot or a screwdriver, or whatever else you wanted to call it but it wouldn't be an accurate description.

Blotchy was carrying a metal container of beer-a pot, a can a pail, that was a common at the time for buying beer to go.

Why do you focus on such meaningless minutia sometimes Wick?

[Garry Wroe]

Granted, there could have been lots of Blotchy men about, but the fact that the one seen by Galloway is evasive when he notices he has been spotted does suggest he may have seen THE Blotchy.

As subsequent newspaper reports revealed, Mike, the Blotchy lookalike was an undercover policeman.