A new front in the history wars? A new article on 'the five'

[caz]

Are these actual quotes?

I do hope not, Gary.

In one example, a user comments that it was unlikely that the fourth canonical victim Catherine Eddowes, would willingly lay down on the cobblestones of Mitre Square to sleep without a pillow

Lie down, surely?

[shudder]

Whoever wrote that should be shot.

Love,

Caz
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[MrBarnett]

Come on Gary. Own up.

Are these actual quotes?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Or this?

“another user almost immediately points out that ‘many rough sleepers slept over the blow holes [from the London underground railway] as the steam kept them warm’ (Casebook, 2019)”

Come on Gary. Own up.

[MrBarnett]

Ok....who said that?

Or this?

“another user almost immediately points out that ‘many rough sleepers slept over the blow holes [from the London underground railway] as the steam kept them warm’ (Casebook, 2019)”

[Herlock Sholmes]

In one example, a user comments that it was unlikely that the fourth canonical victim Catherine Eddowes, would willingly lay down on the cobblestones of Mitre Square to sleep without a pillow

Ok....who said that?

[rjpalmer]

Max Kosminsky 21 St George Street Grocer 1921. Probably well known to the researchers in here

That must be the son of Samuel Kosminsky, one of the West End furriers. His uncle Martin has been mentioned a fair amount.

One of Scott Nelson's articles mentions Samuel and Martin.

Casebook: Jack the Ripper - The Polish Jew Suspect - Jewish Witness Connection: Some Further Speculations

[etenguy]

I thought the article was more balanced than most on this subject. It did cover criticisms made by both HR and those characterised as ripperologists. I did of course notice the difference in tone and language in examining the issues as they relate to HR and her work and how it discussed some of the issues relating to ripperology. I think the language used did demonstrate a predetermined bias of support for HRs approach and her version of the truth on the subject.

That said, it did not shy away from high-lighting the weaknesses in HR's work, even if it tried to also defend her work from those very weaknesses under the guise of academic licence.

I did have a couple of moments of annoyance at the way the debate, HR's work and we were characterised. And the quoting of Sam Flynn and rjpalmer was unnecessary and inappropriate in an article written in a way to suggest it was a balanced academic treatment of the debate.

I do think HR raises some interesting questions, despite agreeing with some of the criticism of the way she does that.

[MrBarnett]

At one point, the Highway beyond (W of) Virginia Street was called Parsons Street.

The numbering on Horwood’s map (c.1800) seems to have the White Bear corner plot as no. 21. That was before the sugar refinery was built and where it would later stand stood houses numbered 10 - 20.

[Observer]

Max Kosminsky 21 St George Street Grocer 1921. Probably well known to the researchers in here

[Observer]

Then again another Street directory Robsons, has the White Bear as 1 Ratcliffe Highway.

[Observer]

Thanks, Joshua.

That’s raised a number of questions in my mind.

It seems as if Number 1 St George Street, The White Bear PH, prior to 1843 was known as number 8 Ratcliff Highway. That block before the White Bear could possibly have been 1-7 Ratcliff Highway. Possibly

[MrBarnett]

Yes, the numbering on the North side of St George's Street goes west all the way to Well Street

Thanks, Joshua.

That’s raised a number of questions in my mind.

[Joshua Rogan]

The St Geo E/Wapping boundary ran west of the warehouse, though. I’ve seen the warehouse referred to as being in St George Street, East Smithfield, so I’m not totally sure.

The Goad showing the north side of the Highway/East Smithfield might confirm where the street changed names.

Yes, the numbering on the North side of St George's Street goes west all the way to Well Street

[jmenges]

The BH stuff above perhaps needs to be reworded slightly.

I put the date of March 2019 in there since I knew the BH stuff has been looked at and expanded on.
Some sort of book compilation, even including as many pieces cited in The Five from the Rip and other sources - with permission- might be a good idea. I’d support such a thing.

JM

[MrBarnett]

JM,

That’s very interesting. There’s lots more, of course.

Perhaps we should put everything together and put out a book of our own. We could start with the 35 pages on MJK.

The BH stuff above perhaps needs to be reworded slightly.