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  • The Good Michael
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 3773

    #16
    There rarely is conclusive evidence of anything for everyone.

    Mike
    huh?

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    • Doctor X
      Inactive
      • Mar 2008
      • 844

      #17
      Well . . . removing the "loon factor"--various conspiracy theorists, the types who do not think we ever landed on the Moon, those who think country-western is a viable artform--one may convince the knowledgeable majority if there is evidence; however, as you and Glenn and others suggest, conclusive evidence is hard to imagine beyond the "OMFG! Look" sort of discovery.

      Even then it would have to pass muster.

      Those interested . . . I have conclusive evidence . . . I keep it on my toilet.*

      --J.D.

      *[Unfunny reference to "James Ossuary" ultimately seized in an antiquities "forgery factory," sitting on, yes, a toilet.--Ed.]

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      • Glenn Lauritz Andersson
        Sergeant
        • Feb 2008
        • 979

        #18
        Originally posted by Graham View Post
        Anyway, who cares? Who REALLY wants it to be solved?
        Good point.

        All the best
        The Swedes are the Men that Will not Be Blamed for Nothing

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        • Doctor X
          Inactive
          • Mar 2008
          • 844

          #19
          Meh . . . I am one of those who would love there to be an "answer" at some point, fully realizing it will never come.

          --J.D.

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          • bolo
            Detective
            • Apr 2008
            • 452

            #20
            Something tells me that this final proof will not come from exciting new documents but a fresh new outside-the-box look at readily available material and unpretentious (i.e. ego-free) discussion of the results.

            Read, it may never happen...
            ~ All perils, specially malignant, are recurrent - Thomas De Quincey ~

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            • Observer
              Assistant Commissioner
              • Mar 2008
              • 3188

              #21
              Hi

              For me I'm convinced that the killer was known to the police albeit for far less heinous crimes than mass murder. How old was Lawende's suspect, late twenties? I'm sure the killer had offended in the 12 or so years from his adolesence to his eventual killing spree. Old court records could tell a tale or two.

              Observer

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              • Jon Guy
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 3156

                #22
                Hello

                Documental evidence of who saw whom at the Seaside Home would be a nudge in the right direction.

                This is a bit of a long shot, but Jacks prints are all over Kelly and her bed sheet, so if our boy was fingerprinted a few years later for something else ???

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                • Ben
                  Commisioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 6843

                  #23
                  Quite possible, Observer.

                  Just a tangential point based on an earlier observation; is there any semblance of a consensus that Druitt is the most plausible of the named suspects? I may be unenlightened as to the prevailing mindset on the subject, but that would surprise me enormously. Even if we're talking about contemporary police suspects, he'd seem a less fitting candidate than, say, Kosminski or Klosowski.

                  Best regards,
                  Ben
                  Last edited by Ben; 05-01-2008, 02:56 PM.

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                  • Observer
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 3188

                    #24
                    Hi Ben

                    Where did Macnaghten get his information to prompt him to reveal that Druitt's own family suspected him of being the Ripper? I'd love to know. Apart from this fact, then I think there's not a lot to suggest that Druitt was the Ripper.

                    Observer

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                    • sdreid
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 4956

                      #25
                      Yes, some appear to be afraid to even think that there might be a remote chance that it could be solved. This isn't the only interesting unsolved case so why invest all your emotion in just this one? The day after it was solved, I'd be on to another case without a second thought. Heck, I'm on other cases already.
                      This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                      Stan Reid

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                      • Doctor X
                        Inactive
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 844

                        #26
                        John Guy:

                        Maybe I missed something, but did any of that physical evidence actually survive?

                        Yours truly,

                        --J.D.

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                        • Christine
                          Detective
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 291

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Doctor X View Post
                          John Guy:

                          Maybe I missed something, but did any of that physical evidence actually survive?

                          Yours truly,

                          --J.D.
                          The bodies of the victims are still in their graves. Now I doubt anyone is going to be able to lift a fingerprint from whatever is left, but fifty years ago, who would have thought of what we can do with DNA now? Maybe someday we'll have a DNA-like test that can pick genetic info out of a decayed corpse, and we'll be able to find something.

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                          • Jon Guy
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 3156

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Doctor X View Post
                            John Guy:

                            Maybe I missed something, but did any of that physical evidence actually survive?
                            Hey J.D.,I don`t think any of the victim evidence survived.

                            Sorry to disappoint, when I said "long shot".... I meant not very likely.

                            I was referring to the Kelly crime scene photo where hand prints can be seen on the bed sheet, and I think, on her leg.

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                            • Doctor X
                              Inactive
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 844

                              #29
                              That is why I asked. If the sheet is no longer around, the photo could show a bloody, "I wrote this losers! HA!HA! LOLZ" and it will not help anyone.

                              By now, the best you can do is obtain the DNA from the victim from whatever remains. Is it possible that . . . under a fingernail . . . you could find . . . uh . . . probably right up there with me getting Nicole Kidman to lift that restraining order!

                              Disappointing.

                              And a shame.

                              Not good for discovering who the Ripper was either.

                              --J.D.

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                              • Jon Guy
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 3156

                                #30
                                I suppose any DNA lifted from Kelly`s fingernails ( Kelly being the best chance of finding and digging up a victim ) could possibly be matched up to a descendent of Jacks, once the DNA database becomes compulsory in the UK and dare I say, Poland.

                                But in sixty years time they`ll be able to pick up prints from the Kelly photo, and lets hope he spelt losers as "lewsers" (Jewes)

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