conspiracys and police cover ups!

[jason_c]

Working from memory - Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' had nothing to do with Cleveland Street. The connection was made because of a man who had contact with royalty. But there were two men with the same name, and the purveyors of this theory used the wrong one.

Anyone's help on this would be greatly appreciated until I can get back to the source material to clarify.

Roy

If I remember correctly its not certain that Albert Victor did have a connection to the Cleveland Street case. I believe one of the defendants' lawyers claimed he could implicate one of the highest in the land. Most else is conjecture.

[Phil H]

One of "the highest in the land" could mean many people in 1888/89.

But I have always thought PAV's attendance at Cleveland St had been tacitly acknowledged. I'll check.

Phil H

[mariab]

Working from memory - Prince Albert Victor 'Eddy' had nothing to do with Cleveland Street. The connection was made because of a man who had contact with royalty. But there were two men with the same name, and the purveyors of this theory used the wrong one.
Anyone's help on this would be greatly appreciated until I can get back to the source material to clarify.

If I remember correctly its not certain that Albert Victor did have a connection to the Cleveland Street case. I believe one of the defendants' lawyers claimed he could implicate one of the highest in the land. Most else is conjecture.

Where can I read about this (in secondary lit) apart from the newspapers?

{...} both in the case of Edward's gambling scandal and in the Cleveland Street Scandals, "lesser mortals" were left to take the punishment that should have been shared with Edward and Euston, respectively. The fact that authorities were okay with this, or at the very least, went along with it, is deplorable.

"Deplorable" but not surprising and not in the least uncommon.

[Phil H]

"Deplorable" but not surprising and not in the least uncommon.

And to be seen in the context of its time.

Phil H

[jason_c]

Where can I read about this (in secondary lit) apart from the newspapers?


"Deplorable" but not surprising and not in the least uncommon.

Try here:

http://everything2.com/title/The+Cle...Street+Scandal

According to the link one of the defendants lawyers implicated Prince Albert Victor by name to the prosecuting authorities. Im not 100% sure this is correct.

[Roy Corduroy]

...one of the defendants' lawyers claimed he could implicate one of the highest in the land. Most else is conjecture.

Yes, the lawyer Mr. Norton wrote (PAV). Implying he could implicate Eddy - Prince Albert Victor. He was representing Sir Arthur Somerset, who was going to be charged in the Cleveland Street caper. Further, someone wrote Somerset was friends with Eddy, stating he was present at Eddy's reception at Luton Hoo. But Andrew Cook discovered it was a different Somerset, his cousin the Honorable Arthur Somerset present.

The source I saw is an entertaining and instructive 48 minute movie made in Britain called 'Prince Eddy, the king we never had' the story of Eddy's life, which also includes the modern Ripper allegations. Making an appearance are Rumbelow & Begg. You can watch it on YouTube.

This movie I assume is based on Andrew Cook's book Prince Eddy, the king Britain never had. I haven't read it, but I'm going to, because its always better to read the book.

In fact, I was going to read Cook's recent Ripper book, but folks threw such a hopping hissy fit over the MJK photo on the cover I never got around to it.

Roy

[mariab]

This movie I assume is based on Andrew Cook's book Prince Eddy, the king Britain never had. I haven't read it, but I'm going to, because its always better to read the book.
In fact, I was going to read Cook's recent Ripper book, but folks threw such a hopping hissy fit over the MJK photo on the cover I never got around to it.

I hear Cook's JTR book is a very "creative" book, almost as manipulative as the cover choice. It offers the premise that the Ripper never existed, was an invention of the London press, but apparently Cook also presents some original research on the authors of the "Dear Boss" letter.
Did Cook also publish something on the London police?

[Roy Corduroy]

Stop that Maria Dahling, you haven't read Cook's Ripper book and neither have I.

Did Cook also publish something on the London police?

Do they have Google over there? Or are you in an airport using a gamebox controller rigged. Just kidding, DAHLING !

Roy

[Krinoid]

Posters here really NEED to read http://www.amazon.com/Prince-Eddy-Ho.../dp/0719554152 for the real extent of the cover up and full extent of PAV's involvement and for his links to Druitt.

[Krinoid]

the book mentions a letter from Lord Arthur Somerset, showing PAV's involvement beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Krinoid]

The book also goes into how large the extent of the Cleveland scandal was covered up by the Gov. including Abberline's superiors blocking him to protect others.

[lynn cates]

Cook

Hello Roy. In spite of public opinion, you may wish to have a go at Cook's ripper book. Very interesting with respect to "The Star" and their role in the promotion of "Jack the Ripper."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

recommended reading

Hello Maria. Don't know about "manipulative," but Cook DOES spend a good bit of time on the "Dear Boss." His thesis is that Best, not Bulling, wrote the letter and sent it to CNA to promote the ripper and avoid possible blame.

He also does a good investigation of Ernest Parke and his writing ripper articles for the star.

Highly recommended.

Cheers.
LC

[Krinoid]

from Craig Kaczorowski article

"The release of Public Record Office police documents in 1975 regarding the case, and more significantly, the publication of the private letters of Lord Somerset, have since confirmed the involvement of Prince Eddy in the Cleveland Street scandal beyond a reasonable doubt."

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/cleveland_street_scandal,2.html

[Krinoid]

Not to mention the book also reveals PAV's Royal archives file on him was destroyed.