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OK it's fess up time!!! My Dad was a Master Mason and it gets worse......I joined the Eastern Dawn (Girlie Masonry) at one point...but finding it to be terminally boring and not remotely esoteric I took to the hills and ran!!!
Run Suzi Run!
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Great to see another Pratchett sig there Magpie!!!Last edited by Suzi; 04-27-2008, 07:04 PM.'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'
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Originally posted by Dark Ali View PostThere is lots of info and supposition on this website about Oscar Wilde and the Masons.
http://www.mqmagazine.co.uk/issue-4/p-07.php'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'
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The poor masons, one of the more liberal old boys clubs around and with such a bad pr for centuries..."The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." - Quellcrist Falconer
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Johannes Clauberg
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Originally posted by The Grave Maurice View PostI'm just finishing Thomas Toughill's The Ripper Code. On p. 225, he says:
Oscar Wilde, whose father was a Freemason, was initiated into the Apollo Lodge No. 357 in Oxford on 23 February 1875. He took his second degree on 24 April and his third degree (Master Mason) on 25 May. This lodge practiced the Scottish rite and Wilde was admitted to the 33rd degree of this on 27 November 1876.
Can this be right? My grandfather was a Mason, and I somehow got the idea that it took a considerable amount of reading, preparation, and time to attain the highest degree. Is it really possible that Wilde could have gone from newbie to 33rd degree in only a year and nine months?
Hi Maurice, I seem to recall from Jack the Ripper: Scotland Yard Investigates that Warren also quickly rose within the strata of the Masons. So perhaps in that era, it was not uncommon for that to happen?"What our ancestors would really be thinking, if they were alive today, is: "Why is it so dark in here?"" From Pyramids by Sir Terry Pratchett, a British National Treasure.
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Originally posted by Celesta View PostHi Maurice, I seem to recall from Jack the Ripper: Scotland Yard Investigates that Warren also quickly rose within the strata of the Masons. So perhaps in that era, it was not uncommon for that to happen?
IF you were in the upper crust to begin with, or you were a hero, or the like.
Now, I'm posting to myself. Oh, dear."What our ancestors would really be thinking, if they were alive today, is: "Why is it so dark in here?"" From Pyramids by Sir Terry Pratchett, a British National Treasure.
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Originally posted by j.r-ahde View PostHello Suzi!
Yes, yes; the Finnish bands, that Magpie mentioned!
In case they aaare(gh) freemasons and...
All the best
Jukka
Hmmmm....I wonder if I can get Sentenced to reunite for my inauguration....“Sans arme, sans violence et sans haine”
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Originally posted by j.r-ahde View PostHello Suzi!
Yes, yes; the Finnish bands, that Magpie mentioned!
In case they aaare(gh) freemasons and...
All the best
Jukka
I'm pretty sure Amorphis are heathens, therefore polytheistic, therefore not able to become Masons, so your safe there.
Alexi Laiho might be a whole 'nother story though“Sans arme, sans violence et sans haine”
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I think what you have to remember with Freemasonry is that its an essentially corrupt association. So how fast someone rises through the ranks depends on how much their face fits.
They are mainly a harmless social club with no real agenda other than to act as a fairly conservative social institution, but their favour network predisposes them to dodgy deals (often still involving building contracts and property development in UK) and to other forms of corruption and influence.
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Corrupt Freemasons?
Oh dear are we back on the all Freemasons are corrupt? Bit Trenouthish there I think.
The main point about the Masons is that they look after their own, not a bad guide for a couple of Governments in the world. We seem to have a government here that thinks nothing of galavanting around the world dishing out large wodges of taxpayers cash that could be better used here in Britain.
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