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  • Lipsky
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    Originally posted by APerno View Post

    WOW! I don't know where this came from but I want on the record: I used the term 'Final Solution' as a play on Stephen Knight's bogus Royal Conspiracy work. Damn! Why did you say that, on here everyone knows Knights' work.
    I am, naturally, aware of the book and I 've read it, as most. And "the final solution" is abudantly used in ripperdom. I just took the opportunity of a witty (?) remark since antisemitism is (in my empirical approach) one of the decoys the perpetrator employed in his most stunning act. Apologies if I didnt clarify it sufficiently

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  • APerno
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    Originally posted by Lipsky View Post
    Oh dear, the term "Final Solution" is so wrong in a case where antisemitism sprang its ugly head, even as a shock tactic and decoy...
    "Total solution" would be gentler, but then again, Goering tried to have that wordplay in Nuremberg, so I wouldn't go there either.


    WOW! I don't know where this came from but I want on the record: I used the term 'Final Solution' as a play on Stephen Knight's bogus Royal Conspiracy work. Damn! Why did you say that, on here everyone knows Knights' work.

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  • Lipsky
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    Oh dear, the term "Final Solution" is so wrong in a case where antisemitism sprang its ugly head, even as a shock tactic and decoy...
    "Total solution" would be gentler, but then again, Goering tried to have that wordplay in Nuremberg, so I wouldn't go there either.

    Final Vindication maybe? for those murdered women first and foremost...
    ....and these quacky but un-murderous hairdressers/crossdressers/lodgers/weirdos/asylum masturbators.

    And really that poor Montague needs a peace of mind after all.

    And for that Abberline fellow.... I'd love a round of ales with 'im

    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post

    JtR identity — don't even bother trying. Definitely nobody thus far named.
    The name is not important since conviction is impossible. The historical significance lies more in the services he provided. Convenient how the Lusk letter "disappeared" as technology was evolving, non? Forensics directly from that paper would be of tremendous importance, both from a law enforcement and psychiatric point of view. Though it was written "in character", the material for that character was intimately on personal deliberation, hence providing insight.

    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    MJK identity — possible, if we stop kidding ourselves the victim was a girl from Limerick.
    MJK was the liaison between the "soldier" prostitutes and the upper echelon of that group...the... "pimps" lets say. Using another word could be more obvious but I'll restrain myself. Hence her more spectacular killing. Persistent claims of "seeing her the morning next" and "look how closely i got to see him while i stalked them" are deliberate desperate attempts for a comeback by an outnumbered, shrinking group of greedy folk who lost their soldiers and their lieutenant by a vicious executioner.

    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Links between JtR and any victims — none direct.
    They knew each other, though it's dubious the victims knew of his role with regard to the other "vip" parties being blackmailed, or how capable he was for clean and swift murder by design and decoys (mutilations, antisemitism and a nice Irish touch).

    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Motive — certainly not money, probably political.
    It wasnt greed, indeed! Political yes, and with deliberate counterattact against deliberate (but sloppy) blackmail.
    I wouldnt rule out money, though. When in Rome, the best confidence is still the highest bidded (and bought).

    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post

    Did anyone else have knowledge of the murders at the time — yes, those in authority.
    Anyone aside (above?) Abberline is guilty of culpability or stupidity.
    Though the clique being blackmailed was not officers/men of uniform, but of aristocratic nature (not necessarily royalty), standing above the police leadership in the scheme of things.

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  • Busy Beaver
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    I disagree with your points about Kosminski or Druitt. Neither seems like the Ripper to me. However if we could uncover MJK's real identity it would be useful in developing the case.
    I only want a picture of Aaron Kosminski to clear him, as I don't think he was the murderer. Druitt- still not sure. I don't know if anyone has done further investigation on an MJK who was 10 years older than the Ripper victim was. It was an article in Ripperologist. This MJK had Irish/Welsh and Scottish connections.

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  • APerno
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    Originally posted by Spider View Post

    Is this the Stones concert where a Hells Angel shot and killed someone?
    Yes but they stabbed someone to death, believing the guy was gong to shoot at the stage. -- The above clip is from the film Gimme Shelter (Same title as the song.)

    The Altamont Speedway Free Festival, December 6, 1969 at the Altamont Speedway, northern California, United States.

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  • Spider
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    Originally posted by Kaz View Post

    John, appreciate this is aittle off tack

    but could you please decipher this?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj6y...&start_radio=1
    Is this the Stones concert where a Hells Angel shot and killed someone?

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by Kaz View Post

    John, appreciate this is aittle off tack

    but could you please decipher this?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj6y...&start_radio=1
    Not really sure what you want me to say.

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  • Kaz
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    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    Thanks Simon.

    Cheers John
    John, appreciate this is aittle off tack

    but could you please decipher this?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj6y...&start_radio=1

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi John,

    At last, a sensible line of inquiry.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Thanks Simon.

    Cheers John

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi John,

    At last, a sensible line of inquiry.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • John Wheat
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    Originally posted by Busy Beaver View Post
    IF the murderer ever was to be honestly and properly identified, then great care would need to be taken so as not to offend living or deceased people who have been involved with the case over the 130 plus years. There have been a number of people out there who seem to have taken great pride that they may be "related" to the Ripper, or are pretty convinced that the Ripper is their ancestor. As too who the Ripper really is, well I do not know. If we can find a picture of Aaron Kosminski, find the real MJK and find out why Duritt lost his job at his school, it might take us a little further down the who-is -the Ripper-path.
    I disagree with your points about Kosminski or Druitt. Neither seems like the Ripper to me. However if we could uncover MJK's real identity it would be useful in developing the case.

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  • Busy Beaver
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    IF the murderer ever was to be honestly and properly identified, then great care would need to be taken so as not to offend living or deceased people who have been involved with the case over the 130 plus years. There have been a number of people out there who seem to have taken great pride that they may be "related" to the Ripper, or are pretty convinced that the Ripper is their ancestor. As too who the Ripper really is, well I do not know. If we can find a picture of Aaron Kosminski, find the real MJK and find out why Duritt lost his job at his school, it might take us a little further down the who-is -the Ripper-path.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Martyn,

    Please don't delay responding to my post because you're unable to say publicly what you truly would like to say about JTR's identity or rather your candidate.

    Come on, spit it out!

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • mpriestnall
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi Martyn,

    Here's my five penn'orth—

    JtR identity — don't even bother trying. Definitely nobody thus far named.
    MJK identity — possible, if we stop kidding ourselves the victim was a girl from Limerick.
    Links between JtR and any victims — none direct.
    Motive — certainly not money, probably political.
    Did anyone else have knowledge of the murders at the time — yes, those in authority.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Thanks Simon.

    Here's my five penn'orth—

    JtR identity —don't even bother trying. Definitely nobody thus far named.


    I delayed responding to your post because I'm unable to say publically
    what I truly would like to say about JTR's identity or rather my candidate.

    So I won't!

    Agreed not yet named.

    MJK identity —possible, if we stop kidding ourselves the victim was a girl from Limerick.

    Some backstory seems to be corroborated though. I wonder if it would be worthwhile
    someone starting a thread recapping MJK's backstory, using any recent research, listing
    which points are corroborated (or seem most plausible) and which points are totally unsupported?

    Links between JtR and any victims —none direct.

    I'm not so sure...

    Motive —certainly not money, probably political.

    As a front runner only, I believe the motive was personal.

    The people were well connected and maybe the "establishment" instituted
    a cover-up, perhaps partly out of embarrasment as much as loyalty.

    I don't dismiss the political or "state level" motives though.

    I believe at least 2 of the victims were deliberately targeted.

    Did anyone else have knowledge of the murders at the time — yes, those in authority.

    Definitely.

    Regards,

    Martyn


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  • Spider
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    Originally posted by TheCuriousCat View Post

    Stunning rebuttal. Well put.
    Pleasure

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