Is there a 'final solution' holy grail for the JTR murders out there?

[TheCuriousCat]

And there you have it, in one sentence. Apathy abounds and never the need to look further at things

“Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested; that is, some books are to be read only in parts; others to be read, but not curiously; and some few are to be read wholly, and with diligence and attention.”

-Francis Bacon

I'm pretty sure he would agree with me that playing games with letters likely to be hoaxes would be worthy of barely a taste.

[Spider]

Sometimes you can tell all you need to know from a book by the title.

And there you have it, in one sentence. Apathy abounds and never the need to look further at things

[TheCuriousCat]

As I said earlier:
"Perhaps we already have it, 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' as they say. The problem is that too many people readily dismiss it without having read it, let alone looked closely at it. There is so much subtle information in there, far too much to have been compiled by a hoaxer."
Fortunately, some people do examine possibilities in detail. Oh well, I'll get my hat and coat and hide behind the parapet.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Reveal...ywords=jack+th e+ripper&qid=1565620372&s=books&sprefi x=jack+the+ripper%2Cstripbooks%2C164&sr=1-5

Sometimes you can tell all you need to know from a book by the title.

[Spider]

Serial killers are very often very proud of what they do, narcissists as it were. Accordingly, they look for recognition.

As I said earlier:
"Perhaps we already have it, 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' as they say. The problem is that too many people readily dismiss it without having read it, let alone looked closely at it. There is so much subtle information in there, far too much to have been compiled by a hoaxer."
Fortunately, some people do examine possibilities in detail. Oh well, I'll get my hat and coat and hide behind the parapet.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Time-Reveal...ywords=jack+th e+ripper&qid=1565620372&s=books&sprefi x=jack+the+ripper%2Cstripbooks%2C164&sr=1-5

[Fisherman]

Serial killers are very often very proud of what they do, narcissists as it were. Accordingly, they look for recognition. Personally, I do not think it is impossible that the killer left something behind for this very reason that could enable us to identify him. The chances are slim but not non-existent.

[Damaso Marte]

I am confident that if the identity of the Ripper were proven, there would still be those on this message board who would reject it.

Personally, I am a pessimist. It's not clear to me where the holy grail would be hidden at this point, odds are that if it exists it was destroyed a long time ago. Jack the Ripper was very good at covering up his trail. I sometimes express (only partly joking) that perhaps one day we'll find the torso killer when somebody recalls their odd grand-uncle who had a strange grudge against Jack the Ripper, calling him a no-talent hack who did not deserve his fame.

[APerno]

Who would determine that holy grail or single piece of evidence ,was the holy grail or single piece of evidence?

Public opinion. Strong enough it ends the search for JTR; not strong enough it falls onto the pile with the other forgotten 'final solutions' and the search continues.

[harry]

Who would determine that holy grail or single piece of evidence ,was the holy grail or single piece of evidence?

[TheCuriousCat]

One problem with holy grails is that no single piece of evidence can confirm itself. Evidence can point us in a certain direction, it can even eliminate possibilities, but it can't prove itself.

Take the Maybrick diary, even in the unlikely event it could be proved to be Maybrick's, all that proves is that he claimed to be the Ripper. No test in the world can prove that the author was Maybrick and he was telling the truth. We observe what people record, but we can't observe what they meant, intended, or knew.

[John Wheat]

I can recall from many moons ago one researcher believing that he’d found a photograph of Kosminski. Turned out that he hadn’t though. The Chapman photo surfaced so I guess that it’s not impossible that photos of the other victims in life exist somewhere. I’ve always though it tantalising that, amongst someone’s collection of old photographs, they might be looking at a photograph of Mary Nichols or Martha Tabram without knowing it.

There may also be things that develop through finding lost records of the case.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I can recall from many moons ago one researcher believing that he’d found a photograph of Kosminski. Turned out that he hadn’t though. The Chapman photo surfaced so I guess that it’s not impossible that photos of the other victims in life exist somewhere. I’ve always though it tantalising that, amongst someone’s collection of old photographs, they might be looking at a photograph of Mary Nichols or Martha Tabram without knowing it.

[John Wheat]

There might be a final solution but who would even believe it.

[Harry D]

There are so many lost materials that I'd love to see. There must exist a photo of MJK after they reconstructed what was left of her. And what about Rose Mylett's photograph? Have these been lost to the annals of time or are they in somebody's collection?

[mpriestnall]

APeron, sorry to send you on that little journey and thanks for sharing (I think).

Martyn

[APerno]

Vis-a-vis the Maybrick diary.

I've read a fair few threads on the diary but I don't hold any store in it at all and generally just try to ignore it.

However, the following question has occurred to me:

Has any known serial killer ever written a confessional diary, that's come into the public domain, a-la the Maybrick diary?

Or is the Maybrick diary, itself, a one-off?

Martyn

You made me go look and I wish you hadn't. -- It seems teenage (psychopathic) girls do:

Pearl Moen was 17-years-old when she attacked a nurse sitting on the pavement and stabbed her 21 times. She then took to her diary to write about how thrilling and fun the experience was for her. While her victim survived the horrific attack, Moen remained on the run for three months before law enforcement finally caught up with her. When her bedroom was searched and officers found her diary, there was no question that it was she who committed the brutal and vicious attack.

I stabbed an innocent woman to death earlier today. (Technically yesterday since it’s 1 am). It was absolutely fantastic. Murder gives me a high unlike any other. It feels like this crisp unreality, flashing and sparkling, adrenaline and shock. Fight or flight mode.

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Alyssa was 15-years-old when she killed her next door neighbor, 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten back in 2009. The violent crime that shocked America (mainly because of Alyssa's young age) took place in Missouri. During the trial, Alyssa's diary entry right after she killed the 9-year-old was presented as evidence against her.

I just f***ing killed someone. I strangled them and slit their throat and stabbed them now they're dead. I don't know how to feel ATM [at the moment]. It was amazing. As soon as you get over the 'ohmygawd I can't do this' feeling, it's pretty enjoyable. I'm kinda nervous and shaky though right now. Kay, I gotta go to church now...lol


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not serials of course but one gets the feeling, not caught they both would have been; girls and their diaries, what ya gonna do?