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  • CCTV - Where Would You Put It?

    This is not going to turn up any new information, but it may generate some interesting discussion. CCTV is a modern phenomenon unavailable to the investigators in the 19th century. If there was a possibility of retrospectively siting one CCTV camera anywhere in London during the Autumn of Terror, where would you want to place it?
    The camera will be fixed in one location and will not rotate. It will be immune from criminal damage. It will record good quality (as the human eye would see) video images, time and date, but no sound. It will record day and night from 6am on 30th August to 6pm 9th November 1888. It must be in a public location and out-of doors (so - for example - it can't be inside Millers Court, although it can point in that direction from the street).

    I'd go for Dorset Street, looking towards Commercial Street. I'd get images of MJK and those who visited her room including, if they existed, Blotchy & Astrakhan Man. I'd also get to see when they left and what, if anything, they were carrying.

    Regards, Bridewell.
    I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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    Originally posted by Bridewell View Post

    I'd go for Dorset Street, looking towards Commercial Street. I'd get images of MJK and those who visited her room including, if they existed, Blotchy & Astrakhan Man. I'd also get to see when they left and what, if anything, they were carrying.

    Regards, Bridewell.
    Hi, Bridewell,
    You've selected what I think would be my first choice.

    My second choice would be outside 29 Hanbury, placed so it photographs the entrance and up the street where Elizabeth Long says she saw Annie Chapman. It makes sense to me that Annie went there in order to rest since she knew the house and was too sick to work. Therefore, until Lynn came up with his suspect, I had been puzzled how Annie met her killer. (Although I am not totally convinced either way, it just answers one part of the puzzle.)

    curious

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    • #3
      Hi Curious
      Originally posted by curious View Post
      My second choice would be outside 29 Hanbury, placed so it photographs the entrance and up the street where Elizabeth Long says she saw Annie Chapman.

      It makes sense to me that Annie went there in order to rest since she knew the house and was too sick to work. Therefore, until Lynn came up with his suspect, I had been puzzled how Annie met her killer. (Although I am not totally convinced either way, it just answers one part of the puzzle.)
      Perhaps, she ran into one of the lodgers or someone who worked at number 29.

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      • #4
        Wonderful thread.

        Agree Dorset Street.


        Helena
        Helena Wojtczak BSc (Hons) FRHistS.

        Author of 'Jack the Ripper at Last? George Chapman, the Southwark Poisoner'. Click this link : - http://www.hastingspress.co.uk/chapman.html

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        • #5
          My choice would be on the southern side of Hanbury Street, overlooking the entrance of number 29.

          That way I would see:

          1. What Lechmere looked like, passing the entrance in Paulīs company at around 3.50-3.55 on the 31:st of August.
          2. Whether Lechmere used Hanbury Street on his route to job on all days.
          3. The killer - possibly Lechmere, who I would now know by sight - entering number 29 with Chapman (no certain thing, though, since we cannot be a thousand per cent sure that they entered together, but it must be a near certainty). I would also have good lighting conditions as the two passed into the backyard.
          Finally, if I could get a shot of the killer in that environment, most people would agree that it was Jack the Ripper. Dorset Street would render many doubters in that respect.

          The best,
          Fisherman

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          • #6
            Christer, as the back door swung shut, you`re CCTV might just catch a glimpse of big bad Johnny Richardson setting his rabbit on poor Annie Chapman.
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            • #7
              . . . But if you do doubt your courage or your valour, come no further.

              Hello Jon. Thought I recognised the sharp pointy little teeth.

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • #8
                Even you must concede, Lynn, that the one on the left of the photo with the big ears is not Jacob isenschmid !!

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                • #9
                  improper attire

                  Hello Jon. Thanks.

                  But of course--no apron.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • #10
                    Jon:

                    "Christer, as the back door swung shut, you`re CCTV might just catch a glimpse of big bad Johnny Richardson setting his rabbit on poor Annie Chapman."

                    Would that beast in any manner be related to the killer rabbit of Monty Python Fame...?

                    The best,
                    Fisherman

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                    • #11
                      Try this, Lynn:

                      rabbit - rabbi - rabid - Issenschmid!

                      A flaw or two, but otherwise impeccable. Case solved!

                      The best,
                      Fisherman

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                      • #12
                        Christer

                        The still is taken from my up and coming book which reveals John Richardson`s rabbit to be Jack the Ripper: "Jack The Ripper- Lettuce From Hell"

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                        • #13
                          Geez, Jon - so "Carroty" Nell WAS one of the jackrabbits too after all..?

                          The best,
                          Fisherman

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                          • #14
                            Exchanging Notes

                            Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                            My choice would be on the southern side of Hanbury Street, overlooking the entrance of number 29.

                            That way I would see:

                            1. What Lechmere looked like, passing the entrance in Paulīs company at around 3.50-3.55 on the 31:st of August.
                            2. Whether Lechmere used Hanbury Street on his route to job on all days.
                            3. The killer - possibly Lechmere, who I would now know by sight - entering number 29 with Chapman (no certain thing, though, since we cannot be a thousand per cent sure that they entered together, but it must be a near certainty). I would also have good lighting conditions as the two passed into the backyard.
                            Finally, if I could get a shot of the killer in that environment, most people would agree that it was Jack the Ripper. Dorset Street would render many doubters in that respect.

                            The best,
                            Fisherman
                            Hi Fisherman,

                            If you make a mental note of what Albert Cadosch looks like, I'll keep an eye out for suspicious-looking carmen on Dorset Street!

                            Regards, Bridewell.
                            I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                            • #15
                              Or

                              Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                              Christer

                              The still is taken from my up and coming book which reveals John Richardson`s rabbit to be Jack the Ripper: "Jack The Ripper- Lettuce From Hell"
                              I hope you haven't plagiarised 'Jack the Ripper - the Fennel Solution'

                              Regards, Bridewell.
                              I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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