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    Is there any evidence that can be construed as indicating guilt,and that can be levelled at a particular person.?It would be ideal if we had an eye witness to just one of the murders who witnessed the act of killing,but we lack that kind of evidence.Is there anything that comes near?

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    I donít think that thereís a single suspect that fall into that category Harry. With the evidence that we have been left with a case couldnít be built against any suspect although Fish would disagree. James Scobie felt that a case could be made against Lechmere. I and others would point out though that Scobie only received a file compiled by someone building a case against a Lechmere. Iím not saying that this was dishonestly done of course but if a fair judgment has to be made on any subject all sides must be taken into consideration.

    So basically my answer would be no. We take what we know and we interpret and we come to our own opinion. And naturally weíll disagree of course.
    Regards

    Herlock






    "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by harry View Post
      Is there any evidence that can be construed as indicating guilt,and that can be levelled at a particular person.?
      Yes.

      William H Bury.

      Hold your horses, I'm not claiming he was the killer, I've heard all the arguments. Fact remains, we have a murderer who lived in the East End during the crimes, whose signature was not unlike the Whitechapel series.

      To be honest, I'm amazed at how blithely the police dismissed him from their enquiries.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by harry View Post
        Is there any evidence that can be construed as indicating guilt,and that can be levelled at a particular person.?It would be ideal if we had an eye witness to just one of the murders who witnessed the act of killing,but we lack that kind of evidence.Is there anything that comes near?
        You know Ive always felt that we may have had such a witness in Morris Eagle. He claimed to be arriving back at the club and entering via the passageway at right around the time Liz is fatally assaulted, and he "couldn't be sure" whether a body was there when he went in past the gates. I think its possible he may have witnessed the act, and that Goldstein, who was just passing by the entranceway to a passage with cottages in it that contained cigarette makers, some who said they were awake, with a black bag of cigarette cartons...may have been waved off when he looked into the passageway by someone over a dying woman.

        This presented Eagle with some issues...tell what he saw and it would appear that someone at the club did this deed, and the club likely closes. He loses his speaking revenues. Probably close the Arbeter printing down. Say he says he saw nothing and everything goes on, and later Israel provides the off site gentile attacker as insurance.

        By the timings provided I think its possible one of those 12:40-1am witnesses saw what happened. But self preservation prevented the truth from being told.
        Michael Richards

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        • #5
          No. All we have is circumstantial evidence at best, and nothing as far as I can see to implicate a suspect on balance of probability, let alone beyond all reasonable doubt.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harry D View Post

            Yes.

            William H Bury.

            Hold your horses, I'm not claiming he was the killer, I've heard all the arguments. Fact remains, we have a murderer who lived in the East End during the crimes, whose signature was not unlike the Whitechapel series.

            To be honest, I'm amazed at how blithely the police dismissed him from their enquiries.
            agree harry
            I cant help but imagine that if he hadn't moved and killed Ellen in the east end, then he would have been looked at much more closely for being the ripper.
            "Is all that we see or seem
            but a dream within a dream?"

            -Edgar Allan Poe


            "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
            quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

            -Frederick G. Abberline

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

              You know Ive always felt that we may have had such a witness in Morris Eagle. He claimed to be arriving back at the club and entering via the passageway at right around the time Liz is fatally assaulted, and he "couldn't be sure" whether a body was there when he went in past the gates. I think its possible he may have witnessed the act, and that Goldstein, who was just passing by the entranceway to a passage with cottages in it that contained cigarette makers, some who said they were awake, with a black bag of cigarette cartons...may have been waved off when he looked into the passageway by someone over a dying woman.

              This presented Eagle with some issues...tell what he saw and it would appear that someone at the club did this deed, and the club likely closes. He loses his speaking revenues. Probably close the Arbeter printing down. Say he says he saw nothing and everything goes on, and later Israel provides the off site gentile attacker as insurance.

              By the timings provided I think its possible one of those 12:40-1am witnesses saw what happened. But self preservation prevented the truth from being told.
              well then who did Morris eagle see in the "act"?
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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